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The Moo
16-03-07, 22:57
How about a look at a run to Paris (from London) in 2008 for a chosen charity. Monies raised to INCLUDE the personal costs (if this is said up-front; and the costs are worked out before and then taken from the total - for those who cannot afford the London - Paris part of it) how would that be?

I would suggest a charity like Riders.org as although I would like to support the air ambulance and other "home" causes; I think there are so many causes in Africa and poorer countries where SO many more can be saved for relatively small amounts of money. (MPO...so don't shoot me down pls).

May/June next year or later (date to be agreed once we know the time for travel etc); whoever wants to come; costs to be sorted beforehand with minimum amounts to be raised by each person ;not a race but a collaboration of GSer's; accomodation cheap; food cheap; route fairly straight forward; camoradourie wonderful; challenge for all; that sort of thing......

lets throw the ball in the air...and lets see who shoots it down....only kidding...but it gets the discussions moving on....and I am happy to be part of the organising team....who wants to join me.....(or not as the case may be!). PM or answer here.

:aidan by the way...and here's to Eire winning the 6 Nations (as well as the Triple Crown) tomorrow!!

Bert
17-03-07, 10:36
[QUOTE=sillymoo;937153]How about a look at a run to Paris (from London) in 2008 for a chosen charity.

I would suggest a charity like Riders.org as although I would like to support the air ambulance and other "home" causes;


I think there are so many causes in Africa and poorer countries where SO many more can be saved for relatively small amounts of money. (MPO...so don't shoot me down pls).

QUOTE]


so which do you prefer?
the 'other home causes'
or
"where SO many more can be saved for relatively small amounts of money. ":thumb2 how true
(the latter I agree with- you can do so so much more if you are prepared to go the extra mile- [quite a few extra ones!]

SOS Villages - orphans in African - so many need action to help them
To be an orphan anywhere must be so desperatly hard
To be an orphan in Africa .............. Lord help us to help them.

The Moo
18-03-07, 12:29
[quote=sillymoo;937153]How about a look at a run to Paris (from London) in 2008 for a chosen charity.

I would suggest a charity like Riders.org as although I would like to support the air ambulance and other "home" causes;


I think there are so many causes in Africa and poorer countries where SO many more can be saved for relatively small amounts of money. (MPO...so don't shoot me down pls).

QUOTE]


so which do you prefer?
the 'other home causes'
or
"where SO many more can be saved for relatively small amounts of money. ":thumb2 how true
(the latter I agree with- you can do so so much more if you are prepared to go the extra mile- [quite a few extra ones!]

SOS Villages - orphans in African - so many need action to help them
To be an orphan anywhere must be so desperatly hard
To be an orphan in Africa .............. Lord help us to help them.

Split them!! The money that helps is the important thing really...it is a suggestion to do "riders.org" as they are bike related...but anything else is fine too.......so many people, so many different opinions....:nenau

what do people think...but at some point a decision has to be made...OR people do it for their own choice of charity and we all bunch together (as occurs in things like the London Marathon!). Its more to do with doing something that WILL do something and something that will be a personal challenge too.

sending it up the flag pole........................

Moo

Fanum
18-03-07, 13:18
Moo....don't let Bert distract you or water down your drive....he's very wrong to try and hijack your idea IMO.

We all have our 'pet' charities and most are as worthy as the next......and yes, 100 given to one would have a dfferent effect to 100 to another...but fund raising doesn't work if it's all prioritised like that- if it was, only one or two charities would get anything and the smaller, local charities that do very valuable yet not necessarily 'life saving' work would get fekk all.

I think the drive and enthusiasm to support a particular cause in an event here that comes from the person/people driving it is far more important, and the only thing that's likely to make anything succeed...... watering it down and splitting causes leads to a lack of focus .

The person driving any charity event has to be totally committed, very single minded to the point of being aggressive almost, and dedicated to that cause so they've got the drive to push through the crap and all the people saying 'no' and still make some money for it.......

Bert is totally committed to his cause, and the TITS team were and are to ours, just like the PWAB mob, TheToad to his, Aidan and Jochen to theirs etc etc.......and Bert should be commended for what he's done, but the drive to make any event succeed is crucial, and has to come from the person/people organising it.

Bert
18-03-07, 18:58
:surrender 'Twas' not the intention to hijack anything :blast so humble grovels if it was seen 2 b so . Just offering an alternative where you can reach many deserving kiddies :thumb
Anyway Moo, you might need a Frog GS'er to ride 'shot gun' & as interpreter to Paris & back :D

Trippy
18-03-07, 19:10
Monies raised to INCLUDE the personal costs


Don't anyone jump on me, it is only my opinion and I don't even know if I have any place voicing it anyway as I wasn't involved in the pink way round but ...

That bit might cause some unease for some people either taking part or others giving money.

Thats all, don't take it the wrong way and be offended in any way, it is only my opinion.

I'll get me coat.

Jim

Fanum
18-03-07, 19:18
Don't anyone jump on me, it is only my opinion and I don't even know if I have any place voicing it anyway as I wasn't involved in the pink way round but ...

That bit might cause some unease for some people either taking part or others giving money.

Thats all, don't take it the wrong way and be offended in any way, it is only my opinion.

I'll get me coat.

Jim

I think you're completely right Jim.

Looking at it cynically, it would be easy to say 'why should I pay for you to go on a jolly when I could just give all of the money to the charity you say you're supporting'.

It's why the TITS team paid for their own fuel and accommodation, the PWAB team bought their own fuel etc.... and I know that Bert is also well out of pocket for his trip, Marion paid a very large sum out of hers to have the calenders made etc etc.....( I can't mention one or two more I know about)

I don't think any of the events or fundraisers I've seen here have ever crossed the line , but you're right, it is something to be careful about.

Jaq
18-03-07, 19:24
However......I think it sounds like FUN.....:bounce1

Keep me posted, Amy......:)

The Moo
18-03-07, 20:28
there is no easy answer to the "personal cost" side of things. There are a huge number of charities that stipulate (esp the adventure ones) that the money for flights etc etc is paid for as part of the donations and that this is up-front for the person involved before they are even accepted.
I did not post this with the idea that people had to agree with this way of doing things...not at all....I found that asking for help with fuel (as my husband and I paid a CONSIDERABLE amount out for both fuel and accomodation when doing the PWA (because of the distances involved) was shot down in flames in some quarters....and not in others.....

if personal cost etc etc is going to put people off being able to run or be involved in a charitable event ...then it is only right that there try to be answers and discussions and disagreements and solutions about how those types of people can get involved. None of us are rich...and I don't know many people who would see a charitable run ..where you are running something to raise money...as something purely for personal gain.

Please keep discussing. So many people have said that they can't get involved or WON't get involved because of personal cost...and yet to do something like a trip to Paris and back; or a run around Britain.....it would change alot of peoples lives.

All charitable events cost money...all of them do! It is a suggestion and nothing more...I take neither the negative nor the positive responses personally...if I did...I would never stand here and say I want to be involved.

Now...is anyone at all interested in getting involved..personal finances paid for or not.....Jaq has said "ay"...any more?

Moo:)

Bert
18-03-07, 20:43
IF and it is a big IF you are raing money for a charity and you need to retain a percentage to cover your costs then this must be approved by the registered charity's board of Trustees.
When I ddi my second mission to Mali, I was allowed to accept the donations made by GS'ers and others relating to diesel and ferry costs ONLY.

What Bill says is true- 'well out of pocket' doesn't quite do justice to my costs which ran into big 4 digits- I did it because I felt driven and wanted to go back with something serious to help. Many here and elsewhere did great things to help- I could not have done it alone-

Unless you are wealthy (I am not- long way from:( ), you just can't keep running missions like these unless you have support for your expenses of which there are many. This requires, as above, the prior blessing of the charity.
The key is maintaining absolute transparency as to what you are doing- by this, I mean having written authorities, using a dedicated bank account, etc etc all of which can be audited at any time and statements etc which can be scanned and uploaded to the site for all to see.

If you are not raising funds for a registered charity, you do not have to observe stringent rules but, again IMHO, transparency is a must. Donors must know if you are going to retain a % for vehicle depreciation/running costs/visas etc etc
in order for them to decide whether , or not, they wish to get involved.

BTW- involved- well, if I can help- yes :) like I said - even vertically challenged demi frogs can come in handy!

Trippy
18-03-07, 21:32
I guess my position if I were approached to give money to such an event would be ....
If I had 50 to give to a charity would it be better to send it to them direct or give it to someone to take 10 expences out of it before forwarding it on for me.

The Moo
18-03-07, 21:38
IF and it is a big IF you are raing money for a charity and you need to retain a percentage to cover your costs then this must be approved by the registered charity's board of Trustees.
When I ddi my second mission to Mali, I was allowed to accept the donations made by GS'ers and others relating to diesel and ferry costs ONLY.

What Bill says is true- 'well out of pocket' doesn't quite do justice to my costs which ran into big 4 digits- I did it because I felt driven and wanted to go back with something serious to help. Many here and elsewhere did great things to help- I could not have done it alone-

Unless you are wealthy (I am not- long way from:( ), you just can't keep running missions like these unless you have support for your expenses of which there are many. This requires, as above, the prior blessing of the charity.
The key is maintaining absolute transparency as to what you are doing- by this, I mean having written authorities, using a dedicated bank account, etc etc all of which can be audited at any time and statements etc which can be scanned and uploaded to the site for all to see.

If you are not raising funds for a registered charity, you do not have to observe stringent rules but, again IMHO, transparency is a must. Donors must know if you are going to retain a % for vehicle depreciation/running costs/visas etc etc
in order for them to decide whether , or not, they wish to get involved.

BTW- involved- well, if I can help- yes :) like I said - even vertically challenged demi frogs can come in handy!

I may be reading this in the wrong way...but transparency in ANY business is a must and I feel just a little like there is something adrift in the way my motives are being percieved. "IF and only IF".....I am not quite sure what you mean by that....

my idea is to raise money for Riders.org. ANY form of raising money HAS to be transparent...I am not naive and I am not intending on just getting involved in and trying to organise a "fly by night" charitable event.

I am also in the midst of another charitable event which involves a personal walk to raise money for another charity...and because the amounts are small..I can do this on my own (with a mate who is also involved raising dosh for another cause).

To be honest...if this is going to be such an issue for you and how I am raising the issue regarding personal cost..then perhaps you should stay with the things you are organising and leave me to try to see what others feel. ....and here I was saying I wouldn't feel personally attacked. I am feeling abit under barrage by our french friend.....and why? are people not allowed to have a differing opinion????

perhaps I am reading this the wrong way.....I am not faultless......far from it......but .....

Moo

The Moo
18-03-07, 21:40
I guess my position if I were approached to give money to such an event would be ....
If I had 50 to give to a charity would it be better to send it to them direct or give it to someone to take 10 expences out of it before forwarding it on for me.

I agree..but make sure the charity you send it to does not take its expenses out before they give it to the people in need! Most charities do this...and people are naive to think they dont.

Bert
18-03-07, 21:40
to any one who delivers Point-to-Point like Bill at Bansang etc, all the money goes there.

When you donate to charity, they have an infrastructure to support - buildings/wages/etc etc so really what proportion of what you give actually gets materials etc to where they are needed is a very difficult one to answer:nenau

Bert
18-03-07, 21:48
I am not attacking anyone :blast how the heck are you interpreting this? must be my Franglais confusing things......:blast

When I said IF and only IF you are raising money for a registered charity, AND you want/need to retain a proportion forpersonal costs, you must get prior approval of the Board of Trustees of that charity. There are no personal remarks here:blast .I am just telling you there are different schools of thought depending on what it is you want to etc etc and how people perceive things
I experienced difficulties on my second mission with regards to personal donations to go to diesel and ferry cost- It caused a "to and fro-ing" which I am simply telling you about to help you avoid possible problems. That is all.


You must decide the best way and then do it! and I wish you success:thumb
Now I'll get me coat ..........:101
P.S Quote: "I take neither the negative nor the positive responses personally...if I did...I would never stand here and say I want to be involved."
This bit might need revising!!;)

Trippy
18-03-07, 21:53
I would never be so naive to beleive that most charities don't take a cut and indeed the big organizations need to pay big salaries to attract the skilled people to make sure they are run well and get the most from the money that is left. I gladly give to Oxfam knowing that alot of people are earning a bloody good wage but, he or she is very likely doing a good job.
Small fund raising events are however different because they still have to give the money to the organization who need to take their expences, if the fund raisers take expences too, then very quickly the amount actually going to 'the good cause' is greatly reduced.

The Moo
18-03-07, 22:02
I am not attacking anyone :blast how the heck are you interpreting this? must be my Franglais confusing things......:blast

When I said IF and only IF you are raising money for a registered charity, AND you want/need to retain a proportion forpersonal costs, you must get prior approval of the Board of Trustees of that charity. There are no personal remarks here:blast .I am just telling you there are different schools of thought depending on what it is you want to etc etc and how people perceive things
I experienced difficulties on my second mission with regards to personal donations to go to diesel and ferry cost- It caused a "to and fro-ing" which I am simply telling you about to help you avoid possible problems. That is all.


You must decide the best way and then do it! and I wish you success:thumb
Now I'll get me coat ..........:101
P.S Quote: "I take neither the negative nor the positive responses personally...if I did...I would never stand here and say I want to be involved."
This bit might need revising!!;)

Bert,
Last year there were alot of GSer's who got involved with the PWAB charitable event. At one point I asked the not so popular question of "is there any help for fuel?" Some were appreciative that I had stuck my neck out and asked the question..others were a tad pissed off (why I do not know!!..perhaps I was treading on toes..I dont't know!).
BUT....when you answer a question with a "IF and only If" statement which seemed to call into question my motives for a SIMPLE QUESTION..which is to ask if people think that perhaps we can raise money for the costs as well as the charity.......it is worth asking the question!!
A trip to Paris and back is an idea! It is one that I was wondering if other people might like to be involved with. When I asked about what the PWA team might like to try again...some said that the "personal costs" would preclude tem from taking part. SO..I asked about taking this into account. WHEN I asked about it last year..quite a few people said that they would be happy to contribute to a fund for the petrol so that the monies that we raised for the event would wholly go to the charity etc etc etc.

So the comments made above rather strongly WERE taken in a personal way (slightly) as I know where I am coming from and why I am asking the question. I appreciate your comments...but felt abit weird about the tone..thats all. Writing can ALWAYS cause problems as people can misinterpret what you mean....a common issue in chat rooms.....so forgive if I was too quick to respond.

Moo

The Moo
18-03-07, 22:05
I would never be so naive to beleive that most charities don't take a cut and indeed the big organizations need to pay big salaries to attract the skilled people to make sure they are run well and get the most from the money that is left. I gladly give to Oxfam knowing that alot of people are earning a bloody good wage but, he or she is very likely doing a good job.
Small fund raising events are however different because they still have to give the money to the organization who need to take their expences, if the fund raisers take expences too, then very quickly the amount actually going to 'the good cause' is greatly reduced.

AS I said to Bert.....read my last post! Sorry..but I am asking a simple question as if no one askes the question and no one does anything because they can't afford to..no money will be raised anyway! Its a catch 22!!

Moo

Bert
18-03-07, 23:52
you I regret it and apologize
There was no personal ambiguity or implied negative in any way whatsoever.
Juts put it down to my poor control of the English language!
If you need help, please ask
:hug
........and just to show goodwill - I'll pledge £30

The Moo
18-03-07, 23:59
you I regret it and apologize
There was no personal ambiguity or implied negative in any way whatsoever.
Juts put it down to my poor control of the English language!
If you need help, please ask
:hug


thanks Bert. Bon Nuit!
Moo:)

Bert
19-03-07, 00:03
thanks Bert. Bon Nuit!
Moo:)

You've 30 in the kitty to start it :hug

The Moo
19-03-07, 00:22
You've £30 in the kitty to start it :hug


tre tre bien mon ami!!.......and thats about the extent of my francais (even tho' my sister lives in Grenoble).

I will set up an account for the ride once I know when/if/how/wherefrom/who and all the ins and outs...but that is tre fabulous me dear!:beer:

Moo:type

oh and Bert (and I SOOO want to call in Ernie..I hope you get that!) can I nick the cow for my whateveryoucallit under my username? How do I do that?

Fanum
19-03-07, 00:34
There are ways of dealing with the issue that I think meet all the requirements yet don't stop people donating because they don't like the idea of paying part of their donation to what they might perceive as being a 'jolly'......

Most of the TITS team raised their personal money for expenses, the flights home, equipment (that was nearly all left with the scoot's new owners in Gambia) accommodation and fuel from direct family and close friends, with them knowing what that part of their support was for, or from selling things and making it clear that the item was being sold for their own funds for the trip and not for the charity itself. (Though like Bert, I know that many if not all were well into 4 figures lighter from their own pockets as well)

That then left any donations and sponsorship from people here, dealers, shops, congregations, customers, clients and so on to go 100% to the charity .

BTW, not one person I've talked to who has ever been involved in a major project has regretted it......we came back changed people from our trips, and most if not all want to go again. (it's being talked about now, for 2008)

Bert's spot on about the transparency......but I'm afraid Trippy is also correct about the perception of subsidising an event as opposed to giving a donation to a charity.

PS glad you two kissed and made up ;) :beerjug:

The Moo
19-03-07, 00:47
There are ways of dealing with the issue that I think meet all the requirements yet don't stop people donating because they don't like the idea of paying part of their donation to what they might perceive as being a 'jolly'......

Most of the TITS team raised their personal money for expenses, the flights home, equipment (that was nearly all left with the scoot's new owners in Gambia) accommodation and fuel from direct family and close friends, with them knowing what that part of their support was for, or from selling things and making it clear that the item was being sold for their own funds for the trip and not for the charity itself. (Though like Bert, I know that many if not all were well into 4 figures lighter from their own pockets as well)

That then left any donations and sponsorship from people here, dealers, shops, congregations, customers, clients and so on to go 100% to the charity .

BTW, not one person I've talked to who has ever been involved in a major project has regretted it......we came back changed people from our trips, and most if not all want to go again. (it's being talked about now, for 2008)

Bert's spot on about the transparency......but I'm afraid Trippy is also correct about the perception of subsidising an event as opposed to giving a donation to a charity.

PS glad you two kissed and made up ;) :beerjug:

Hey...thats why forums exist! If people didn't have differing opinions the world (and thus the forums) would be rather boring....AND if you don't like hearing differing answers......you shouldn't ask the question....but anyway...
I like what you said Fanum.....lets see how things pan out. Dermot and I were several hundred squids lighter when we did the PWAB - both the dry-run and the actual event...and, to be honest, we couldn't afford to do it again (let alone the fact that we aren't on mainland Britain any more) (and let alone at the time!).
We did it because we had made a committment without really checking out the little issue of cost...daft as that may sound. I would LOVE to do it again....that sort of thing....but there are alot who won't due to cost. Your idea is really a good one......
The whole experience..as I have said before...has changed me beyond recognition......from the old Moo to the new Moo and a trip to Paris (an idea mooted by someone else here) sounds like a new challenge that others might like to try too.
We'll see..but in the meantime...the discussions will roll on...
thanks for your input!
Moo

The Moo
19-03-07, 00:50
OH MY GOD THATS FANTASTIC FANUM!!! THANKYOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I am just sitting here with the BIGGEST GRIN!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D


oh by the way (for those of you who are reading this and don't have a bloody CLUE what I am grinning about) LOOK AT MY NEW AVATAR!!!

what have you done Bert?
and cuddles to Bill!!

The Moo
19-03-07, 00:56
Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! (again!!)

Toad
19-03-07, 04:35
Here's an idea i've been pondering for some time.

You charge a fee for joining the run. Something like 50. For this the payee gets a full pack to include maps, kits to organise their own sponsorship, a commemoration t-shirt, and a contribution to the organisational expenses and the balance then gets donated to the charity of your choice.

This way you get to donate more to your chosen charity and each participant is able to fund-raise for their own cause.

The tough part about all of these charity runs is that they do end up costing alot of time and money - but that's part of the commitment you make when taking on a effort like this.

I chose not to get in to this level of organisation as I wanted to keep things relatively simple. Your timescales are longer and therefore I think this level of organisation would be easily achievable, and would be happy to throw in my assistance if it can be used.

Good luck, and let me know if I can help.

Dan

Duchess
19-03-07, 08:21
Moo, just a posting as I know BCC are actually thinking of doing the London to Paris run themselves in 2008 under their own banner so to speak.

Thought you'd best know before you plan too far ahead. :thumb2

The Moo
19-03-07, 08:52
Moo, just a posting as I know BCC are actually thinking of doing the London to Paris run themselves in 2008 under their own banner so to speak.

Thought you'd best know before you plan too far ahead. :thumb2


BCC? Not sure who these people are?
Let me know!
Moo

does this proclude us doing it together?

RAM-man
19-03-07, 11:16
Moo, just a posting as I know BCC are actually thinking of doing the London to Paris run themselves in 2008 under their own banner so to speak. Thought you'd best know before you plan too far ahead. :thumb2

As far as I know, all planned events by BCC run some 18 months ahead, so 2008 is out unless you plan an event like this yourselves and they give you their endorsement.

You should be aware that 2009 is a key date for the charity.

In 2009, Breast Cancer Care (hence use of BCC) celebrates 35 years and the idea of a Paris to London Girl biker ride event is being considered. The idea of forming the largest girl biker gathering (in teams) to ride and raise funds plus raise awareness with a celeb girl bike team, as well. But it does need organising and planning. PWAB was a challenge, but this would be something else. The charity would welcome help to organise it.

Bert
19-03-07, 11:46
OH MY GOD THATS FANTASTIC FANUM!!! THANKYOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!!

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I am just sitting here with the BIGGEST GRIN!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D


oh by the way (for those of you who are reading this and don't have a bloody CLUE what I am grinning about) LOOK AT MY NEW AVATAR!!!

what have you done Bert?
and cuddles to Bill!!



I didn't think it would take you long before you chose to use that animation;)
Glad that it has made you smile :D therein lies the fuel which drives our actions- Go for it girl!:thumb
and may you be able to Moooooooooooooooove heaven and earth and achieve what it is you have set your heart on.
Caution....:angel at work :thumb2

The Moo
19-03-07, 13:04
Oh Ok...BCC is Breast Cancer Care...sorry I was being DIM!!

I don't want to do anything that will tread on peoples toes! I don't want to clash with BCC (as you call it) or with anyone else...it was just an idea! It was an idea to see if others would like to get involved..not necessarily women only with support riders (as the PWAB was) but everyone who wants to get involved.
I am looking to see if anyone would like to. If they don't...thats fine! If UKGSer club site as a whole do not..that is fine! I am not doing this as a personal goal but to see if anyone liked the idea. The whole idea of doing a PWA was muted but not really taken up.....
just thoughts down on paper really....

Moo

The Moo
19-03-07, 13:08
I didn't think it would take you long before you chose to use that animation;)
Glad that it has made you smile :D therein lies the fuel which drives our actions- Go for it girl!:thumb
and may you be able to Moooooooooooooooove heaven and earth and achieve what it is you have set your heart on.
Caution....:angel at work :thumb2


Bonjour mon ami! Yes -- it was Fanum who showed me how!! What a hero eh?
I will see how this whole thing goes! I was trying to get people motivated...we shall see what happens.
Riders and other "african" causes are something I would like to do more for....at the moment I am doing a "personal goal" thing of walking the West Highland Way next Easter (for Oxfam)......I was hoping others might like to do the trip to Paris as a way to raise more dosh....

its a toughy all this.......
I guess "watch and wait and listen and see" is the mode of the day....

Moo:hug

Bert
19-03-07, 13:28
mmmm isn't it all fun! like the avatar!!!!! ;)

The Moo
19-03-07, 13:48
mmmm isn't it all fun! like the avatar!!!!! ;)


exactamon...is that at all french?????:blast

Moo

ps got your pm:beerjug:

PhilM
19-03-07, 14:52
Forgive me if I'm being dense here but where's the challenge in a run from London to Paris, 270 miles, (unless it's on foot, or pogo-stick or such like)

Sits back and waits to enlightened

I enjoyed my small part in PWAB (must have been the cold :D)
and look forward to partaking in something else.

The Moo
19-03-07, 16:10
Forgive me if I'm being dense here but where's the challenge in a run from London to Paris, 270 miles, (unless it's on foot, or pogo-stick or such like)

Sits back and waits to enlightened

I enjoyed my small part in PWAB (must have been the cold :D)
and look forward to partaking in something else.

FOr me the "challenge" is the commitment to do something for others in a way that allows the majority of people to do it! Why is there this need to absolutley break your bank and/or back inorder to help others. I don't want to break my back; I want to have an accessible challenge for people who would like to raise money! I did my 1400 miles TWICE last year for PWAB...a REAL challenge for a person who up until 2 weeks before the trial run had never been on a motorway let alone above 30 miles an hour (other than a short stint for an hour two years before).

If its not "big enough" for you...try something else!

The Icequeen
19-03-07, 17:00
[QUOTE=PhilM;939730]Forgive me if I'm being dense here but where's the challenge in a run from London to Paris, 270 miles, (unless it's on foot, or pogo-stick or such like)


I think a challenge can be anything,anywhere,anyhow!!!
Does it really matter how big or how small ? (ok less tittering at the back there)
Does it really matter how many miles or how many people ?
What may not seem a big challenge to some ( or a challenge at all,come to that) may be a big deal to me and /or others.
To head out for a days hike and reach the top of a hill is a challenge to me ...ok to some people it won't count 'cos it ain't a Munro....but it mattered to me! And then I aim for higher,further,harder...

I can't commit myself to this particular run,and I don't commit myself to many others either. Part of that is to do with personal cost...... I do charity work already for a small Scottish charity and I help out wherever possible,always at my own expense. To some extent I think that if you feel strongly enough about helping a cause and you put yourself forward to take part in an event, then you take on board the majority of the cost without thinking about it.
I do think though that when it comes to larger charities it is a different ball-game .....and personally I prefer helping small voluntary funded groups where I know the money is used directly and solely to help the cause.

Just Icequeen's thought for the day.......anyway I think Sillymoo's bigger challenge would be the trip from I.O.M to Dover !! French roads are probably marvellous in comparison to ours!!

p.s this is not to say I would not be interested to see what develops .....I guess it all comes down to charity being exactly that....how does any charity help others without the support from any of us in the first place........

Fanum
19-03-07, 20:29
I think a challenge can be anything,anywhere,anyhow!!!
Does it really matter how big or how small ? (ok less tittering at the back there)
Does it really matter how many miles or how many people ?
What may not seem a big challenge to some ( or a challenge at all,come to that) may be a big deal to me and /or others.
To head out for a days hike and reach the top of a hill is a challenge to me ...ok to some people it won't count 'cos it ain't a Munro....but it mattered to me! And then I aim for higher,further,harder...

You're right, but the bigger, more impressive and more 'wow' the challenge is, the more it's likely to raise, quite obviously.

If something doesn't come across as a 'big deal' to others, then unfortunately it doesn't matter how much of a challenge it is to you, it won't attract the support (unless you push the personal challenge aspect) and to step up to the next level, getting local or national press coverage, it does need to be a 'big deal'

It's cynical maybe, but to raise money successfully, that's how you need to be.

Sorry if this sounds negative, its not meant to be.....it comes from a bit of experience :)

The Moo
19-03-07, 21:35
I started this thread with the hope that it might stimulate some active responses to get a team of people together with a common cause and hope and try for something that would raise some dosh for a good cause.

Personally.....I feel abit worn and weary by the HUGE discussion about whether the whole idea of London - Paris is even worth doing...whether people wish to bankrupt themselves "for the cause" (which I cannot and will not do...sorry I have a family with a HUGE amount of issues piling in on us already having no where NEAR settled into our new home).

Its a shame that the whole idea seems to have been trounced upon by a few (I do NOT include the voices of "keep me informed" but there have only been three) and that the 380 odd views has generated a real lack of feeling about the actual idea.

I think I will bow out and do it another way.....and if someone else does it..they wil have my full monetary backup; a bit opf help practically if I can and a "good luck mate...sounds like a great thing to do".

Wow.......I never knew.......what a shame........a little sad....but on my own and with some time and less negativity.....things will be fine I am sure....as it has been with my other cause.

By the way...if BCC do it....and I hope they do....then I hope people will take that challange and run with it.......

feeling abit down:(
Moo

Duchess
20-03-07, 08:25
I started this thread with the hope that it might stimulate some active responses to get a team of people together with a common cause and hope and try for something that would raise some dosh for a good cause.

Personally.....I feel abit worn and weary by the HUGE discussion about whether the whole idea of London - Paris is even worth doing...whether people wish to bankrupt themselves "for the cause" (which I cannot and will not do...sorry I have a family with a HUGE amount of issues piling in on us already having no where NEAR settled into our new home).

Its a shame that the whole idea seems to have been trounced upon by a few (I do NOT include the voices of "keep me informed" but there have only been three) and that the 380 odd views has generated a real lack of feeling about the actual idea.

I think I will bow out and do it another way.....and if someone else does it..they wil have my full monetary backup; a bit opf help practically if I can and a "good luck mate...sounds like a great thing to do".

Wow.......I never knew.......what a shame........a little sad....but on my own and with some time and less negativity.....things will be fine I am sure....as it has been with my other cause.

By the way...if BCC do it....and I hope they do....then I hope people will take that challange and run with it.......

feeling abit down:(
Moo

Sillymoo

The idea is great. Dont feel so let down.

From past experience when you take on a charity challenge the bones of the challenge have to be in place before people will buy into the idea.

Trust me its hard work and you will live with the challenge 24/7 until you've satisfied yourself that its completed in its entirety and I dont mean finishing the run. Its all the work that goes in behind the scenes that nobody sees or knows about. The administration work involved, constant telephone calls, pm's / emails behind the scenes, but most of all keeping the excitement of the challenge at the forefront of peoples minds and boosting confidence when they're down, to name but a few of the jobs and tasks you deal with.

Dont let that put you off, its so rewarding as you know.

I dont see much negativity in the above posts, just some really good advice and useful information. Read them again, trust me. Take the advice on board.

Go with it Amy, please dont fall at the first hurdle. :)

You have the enthusiasm, you beleive in it, now run with it and make it work, I know you can. x

I'll be here if you need me but this year could be a bit difficult for me to get too involved for personal reasons.

:)

Toad
20-03-07, 08:33
:thumb2 I'm still here and still offering help if I can :beerjug:

I agree with Duchess, don't get too downhearted. The nature of the site is debate, and that's what you've got. No matter what you do, not everybody will agree with you!!!

The Moo
20-03-07, 08:49
:thumb2 I'm still here and still offering help if I can :beerjug:

I agree with Duchess, don't get too downhearted. The nature of the site is debate, and that's what you've got. No matter what you do, not everybody will agree with you!!!

Hi...don't get me wrong! As I say I think I'll go to other sources to try to get more people involved as there was NO WAY I could do something like that on my own. My own personal thing for 2008 (the walk) is easy to organise..but this!! That was the whole thing really....not only the discussion that needed to be had about "personal finances" (I will always think that people should not have to go to the point of causing problems with their bank managers to get involved in something that does good); suggesting Riders.org and also the run itself, but seeing who would put their hand up and say "ay" to being on the organising side of things. Very few will do that....the ball is still up there!
Personally, if (and it looks like an if at the moment) BCC do a smilar thing then I see little point (esp considering our connections to them from last year and so on) in trying to do it twice! I will try to get involved in theirs....so its finding something that others would like to do (whether for personal challenges or not).
London - Paris had been mentioned; BCC seem to have that idea already in 2008 or 2009 (according to Karen) SO......
lets see what else can be generated. I can't do it on my own and starting up 3 businesses; doing a charity event etc at Easter next year and settling into our new home...perhaps I spoke too soon. I just wanted to get people thinking and, perhaps, volunteering to join me on the path to getting it organised.
Moos to all!:rose