on board video, help needed!!!!

Pauly S

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HI all, anyone got any experience with on bike video? tried the ram mount with the cam corder on the handlebars and was good till you hit 15 mph, then it all went a bit pete tong, video was totally crap, it didnt like being bashed about.
needs some kind of elasticy mounty thingy to rid the camcorder of vibration, any ideas???? :beerjug:
oh forgot to mention its on a 2004 gsa 1150
 
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for what its worth,ive always had problems mounting camcorders....now i dont bother i use a bullet camera and hide the camcorder under my seat/tankbag.

Far better picture in my opinion.
 
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Ditto the above, you will eventually feck your camcorder if you continue as present. Bullet cam gives a much better pic and is less conspicuous to Mr. Plod.

JDH
 
No problem at all.

I have an Olympus SW waterproof compact camera that will take about 30 mins of video.
I have a migsel light bar and on one side there is a bolt pointing upwards with a nut either side of the bar and adjusted so that the camera is pointing straight ahead when spun on and just nipped up.
Shot is perfect just catching the corner of the beak, no vibs and crystal clear on and off road.
 
I was looking at these last night on Ebay;

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There's a sample vid which looks OK, they're waterproof and don't need any wires.....run off aa batteries and record onto 2gb SD cards with an hour of vid on each at HQ.

For 60 quid I reckon they're pretty good :thumb2

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OREGON-SCIENT...ryZ11724QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
there's loads of solutions and each has different problems

I've found the bullet cams to be very good both with tape and hard disc storage devices.

some of the problems which you'll encounter

bullet cams need extra power (ie batteries or power from bike) also the need cameracorders which work as stand alone recorders. They don't all have this functionality) Bullet cams need Brackets or vaccum shoes and flat clean surfaces.

tape is a fixed length and you always runs out when it gets exciting...

Hard disc recorders may have codec issues when recording on mpeg 4 or divix caused by compression of material (absolute pain in R's) you'll need to change the material once so you can then edit it!

The Police well they will stop you if they see you mucking about with video cameras, GPS or other devices. While on the subject of recording devices you need to make sure that switching them on and off is easy or you'll be concentrating on try to make it work when you should be looking at the road.

You need to practise when the bike is stationary and you need to plan the shots you want. Just mounting the camera and filming what to you is an epic is boring as hell if there no point or story.

begining, middle, end thats what you need to think first then worry about the technology
 
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got the shots all lined up, its the technology at an affordable price is the problem, need some makes amd models of proven products and systems that work well, and give a good end result.
i have a decent video editing program, serif movie plus 5 ,that is very good, any more info graetly received.
thanks
Paul
 
Peter Pan and I toured Norway last year and attached Peters Sony camcorder to our bikes using Ram mounts mounted to our engine bars and using a remote start / stop cable the results were excellent and a wonderful way to record your holiday.:thumb2
 

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got the shots all lined up, its the technology at an affordable price is the problem, need some makes amd models of proven products and systems that work well, and give a good end result.
i have a decent video editing program, serif movie plus 5 ,that is very good, any more info graetly received.
thanks
Paul
Paul,

I've only recently gone down the moving image route (lots of reasons I won't go into now).

I've had pretty mixed results with different mountings.

I had a variety of Ram arms and mounts for my stills camera and have tried them in different places on the bike. Both mounting the camcorder and a bullet-cam.

Some were prone to general road bumps etc. and some engine related.

I quickly gave-up on the idea of mounting the camcorder. Even a relatively small one seems to put too much strain on the mounts. It's the old unsprung weight problem I think.

Experimenting revealed that there are a lot more shocks transmitted through the handle-bars than my hands revealed.

Same with the engine bars only this was restricted to a fairly narrow rev-range, it just so happens that the rev-range where the vibes are worse (for the camera picture) are smack in the middle of the everyday usage.

The same applied to bullet-cams in those locations but not as bad, still bad enough to make the video un-watchable in sections. I didn't fancy having to edit out a portion of every capture.

I tried mounting a bullet cam on the side of the instrument binnacle.

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This was prone to road shocks.

The best results were with a Dogcam rubber suction mount on the side of the tank.

Two problems with this, one is that I will use tank panniers a lot of the time, so the available place to stick the camera disappears. The second problem is that aligning the camera is a bit hit and miss. The Dogcam suction mounts are only adjustable in one plane; either up and down or side to side depending on where you mount the suction cup.

(It works fine for a helmet cam because you can easily adjust the angle)

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After much messing about, I've found a position that works fine for the bike mounted bullet cam (on my bike. That seems to be an issue too. Bikes are going to be different).

I've used a stainless P-clip and mounted the camera on one of the Touratech Micro DE guards. This seems to be damped enough yet rigid enough. It's also fairly secure. It needs an allen key to remove it so it's safe enough to leave attached for short periods.

I got my bullet cams from these people....

http://www.bikecameras.com/products.php

You will need to see if your camcorder is compatible with their products.

The bullet cams do require a separate power source. I use AA rechargeable batteries and recharge them from the bike.

I've turned over the base layer of my tank-bag to the camcorder + stills camera, power pack for the bullet cams and recharger.

From the same people (above) I got a LANC controller to remotely power the camera system on/off and a switch to select which bullet cam is in use.

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The bullet cams and the camera selector switch are water-proof. Another advantage over mounting a camcorder externally.
 
Camcorders...

I did a few onboard video's around the Isle of Man over the last few years.

2004 - A borrowed Sony Handycam gave excellent results on DV tape (as seen on this site). It was mounted on the GS's tank, using a carrier bag containing 4 or 5 paperback books nicked from someone's bookshelf. We just taped the bag up & created a 6" pad. Then we taped the whole lot down with gaffer tape after lining it up. All the controls were right in front of you & the bars didn't get fouled, plus it was protected from any flying debris/insects by the screen.

2006 - SE K750i mobile phone gave surpisingly good results but only in a relatively small format. I taped it to the chinbar of my MX helmet, recorded 45mins of riding, then edited it - all on the phone... How good's that?

2007 - A mate tried a Sony HD based camcorder & got about 11secs of footage before it got p****d off & shut down, due to the shock/vibes. I got much better results from my old Samsung DV. Personal experience says that tape based recordings are less prone to problems. Using things like "Wind Noise Suppression" (oooer, Missus...) & the "Digital Image Stabilser" I managed to get fairly major improvements to the finished item. My priorities have always been to have an image & sound that reminds me of what I was doing, so the viewpoint needs to be close to the riders viewpoint. I also want to protect the camcorder from flying insects, etc. Then, lastly, don't want to have to spend any money, so I get the best I can from the kit I've already shelled out for...

I should have a couple of the video's from this year's TT online soon...
 
A tip from a long career as a successful porn star, get a basic video camera without all the bells & whistles. You will find they survive the vibration & abuse more readily....:augie
 
Great thread, getting really excited!

If buying a camera, I can see it should have mini-tape or stick media.
Is the image stabilisation feature worth havig?

Bin
 
Image stabilisation works best when the Zoom is fully wide.

All the technical advice is good. Get an old Mini DV camcorder(s) from e-bay. Anything by sony is very tough. VX1000/2000, PD100/PD150 are rugged and well-made with manual over-ride of both iris and focus. You can also force them to over-ride the auto iris by up to +/- 2 stops. Even the most basic mini-DV camcorder will give you far better results than "affordable" bullet set ups. Mini DV might be "old Hat" but it's still a really good broadcast standard format and a safe storage for your rushes. As Paul says, natural sound is priceless and worth taking care to record. It'll save your bacon in the edit!

Best results are obtained by getting the camera operator to ride pillion. However, just like my post about bump starting one of these bikes, I absolutely do not reccomend you attempt operating any sort of video recording device while riding on public roads unless you're entirely confident of the possible outcomes and consequences of your actions.

There you go, take great care.
 


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