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Clive
10-12-07, 16:31
If you are already a member of the TRF then :thumb2

If not, then consider joining - only 40 per year.
You will receive 12 issues of the TRF's TRAIL Magazine containing useful information, letters, articles, ride reports, equipment tests, competitions, features and stories, classified sales, and useful contacts.

You will have free access to the Members area of the TRF Website, with useful information and downloadable files.

You never know, one day you may decide to take the GS down some trail or other and the existence of the TRF may have kept one or two open ;)

http://www.trf.org.uk/

Jeremy
10-12-07, 16:51
I couldn't agree more Clive. I enjoyed another 60mile cracking ride around Boxhill, Newlands Corner, West Horsley, Shere, Framley Green on Saturday morning fuelled by tea and bacon sandwiches. A top bunch of like minded blokes. We were so wet and muddy we laughed like school boys at the tsunamis rising as we crashed through puddles. As much fun as you can have with your clothes on.

Jeremy
Surrey TRF Member

garfield
10-12-07, 17:43
for one of the experts please, does it also include riding in Scotland, how easy is it to work out where you are allowed to travel etc......:D...I'd love to join but I want to know I can somewhere without having the dogs set on me......

Clive
10-12-07, 17:57
for one of the experts please, does it also include riding in Scotland, how easy is it to work out where you are allowed to travel etc......:D...I'd love to join but I want to know I can somewhere without having the dogs set on me......

From the TRF FAQ

Q : Why are there no TRF groups in Scotland, Northen Ireland or Eire?
A : Unfortunately Scotland has a different legal system which we have little knowledge of and therefore can not offer advice on. The same applies to Northen Ireland and Eire.

Timolgra
10-12-07, 18:03
for one of the experts please, does it also include riding in Scotland, how easy is it to work out where you are allowed to travel etc......:D...I'd love to join but I want to know I can somewhere without having the dogs set on me......

There are very few 'green lanes' that are legal to ride in Scotland,
and to the best of my knowledge, because of that, there is no TRF group there.....probably something to do with the Romans not bothering to go up there:augie
Generally you'll need to get permission from the landowner or as you say, risk the dogs.

I very nearly moved to Scotland myself a few years ago, the lack of legal places to ride, despite all that space was one of the deciding factors:(

garfield
10-12-07, 18:13
There are very few 'green lanes' that are legal to ride in Scotland,
and to the best of my knowledge, because of that, there is no TRF group there.....probably something to do with the Romans not bothering to go up there:augie
Generally you'll need to get permission from the landowner or as you say, risk the dogs.

I very nearly moved to Scotland myself a few years ago, the lack of legal places to ride, despite all that space was one of the deciding factors:(


Northumberland is just down the road I suppose so I still have options....:D

Berin
10-12-07, 19:05
I joined up at their stand at the dirt bike show at the weekend. They are the only organisation which represents us and they can't do it without funds.

Timolgra
10-12-07, 19:32
The following is from an article I found around seven years ago when trying to research trail riding in Scotland, if I'd found it straight away it could have saved me a lot of time.



Talking Trails -- On a road to nowhere?
Scotland is beautiful. Fewer people, less traffic, more hills, more space and clear air.
The perfect place to go trail riding?
Captivated by this ethos, having witnessed it first hand when riding trials and in particular when competing in the SSDT, the time seemed right (being somewhat older now) to ride for fun instead of competition.
Competition is fine.
My ego still nags me to compete occasionally, with my skill and body telling me otherwise. Listening to reason, the wild and peaceful spaces beckoned.
Simple then. Just get out the map and off we go. Wrong. There are no Rights of Way marked on OS maps in Scotland.
In order to understand what makes Scotland different to the rest of UK, it helps to have a history lesson. Oh no! Aren't they for confused pubescents and 12 bhp hopefuls? Short on history, the full tank, full licence and XR400 had to wait. So began 6 months of detective work.
Contacting LARA and the TRF was top of the list. Great, join up, get the info and head for the hills. "Sorry, we're not too sure about the legalities of trail riding in Scotland. Can you help us?" Eh?! Gloom. Whilst both these organisations do excellent work and know the difference between a BOAT and a RUPP, Rights of Way (ROWS) in Scotland are different story.
LARA , BBT and TRF publications make wise reading, providing a solid foundation for the would be trail rider. Scottish law and history elevates the learning process and hopefully leads to a level of understanding.
Ah! to hell with it, I'm off riding. One shotgun cartridge over my head later and latterly an irate caber tossing sized gamekeeper convinced me
otherwise.
The Scottish Rights of Way Society provided the next key. The rest of this seemingly labyrinth-like trail now started to fill with organisations,
bureaucrats, do-gooders, motorcycle haters, NIMBY'S (not in my back yard), estate managers, deer management groups, local authorities,
ramblers, mountaineers, Lords, Ladies and absentee (often English) landowners at every turn.

Talking Trails -- On a road to nowhere? : Trail Riding in Scotland Page 2 of 6
In fact we need to look at an Irish General to realise
where todays Scottish road system, hill tracks and
ROWS came from and why there is a resistance to
offroading in these areas.
Unlike England, Scotland was not well served with
communications. Drove tracks for cattle maybe, but
old Roman roads as in England, I'm afraid not. They
ended mostly in the Borders and Central Scotland. In particular the Highlands were
remote from government control and interference. The building of a network of
military roads by Major-General George Wade changed that. Wade was sent to
Scotland in July 1724, 'narrowly to inspect the present situation of the Highlanders...to
make strict enquiry into the last law for disarming the Highlanders...to suggest to [his]
Majesty such other remedies as may conduce to the good settlement of that part of the
Kingdom'.
With that backdrop in mind the history lesson ends, save to say the military roads that
were subsequently built and added to by Major Caulfield let the English in and the
Scots out. The rest is history from the '45 to the current pathos of patriotic
undercurrents and political meandering, yet what exists are roads connecting us all.
And what beauts! A legacy steeped in history. Most tarmacced and in general daily
use, the rest losing their distinct character from erosion, use - and lack of use.
Want a hot potato to go riding on? Try the Corrieyairick Pass. Wade's prize road. A
2,500' pass with 17 or so traverses. 12 miles of rough bliss with a dead end
switchback of black road before the real thing starts. It's the equivalent of The
Ridgeway in England and under siege by more interested parties than you can shake
an empty fuel can at. There are storms over this pass. Physical and political ones.
Treat with kid gloves for now.
Is it a Vehicular Right of Way?
"Maybe, it depends on the rules."
Here they are. The creation of a Right of Way in
Scotland depends primarily, not on statute law, but on
the common law. There are certain essential
requirements. Here they are. The creation of a Right of
Way in Scotland depends primarily, not on statute law,
but on the common law. There are certain essential
requirements. These are:
1.It must run from one public place to another. (see
note i).
2.It must follow a more or less defined route (see note
ii).
3.It must have been used openly and peaceably by
members of the public as of right, without the
permission, express or implied, of the landowner (see
note iii).
4.It must have been used without substantial and effective interruption for a period of
20 years or more (see note iv).
Notes.
(i) A "public place" is one where the public are entitled to be e.g. a public road,
village, church, burial ground.
(ii) The route may make minor deviations and in open country it need not be visible on
Talking tThera gilrso -u-n Od,n b au tr oita sdh toou nldo wfohlleorwe? a: mTroariel Rori dliensgs cino nSsciosttelannt dand generally defined lineP. age 3 of 6
(iii) The use must be regular with regard to the density of the surrounding population,
without any stealth or violence on the part of the user and in such a way as is it clearly
indicates to the landowner that it is being used despite or against the landowner's
wishes.
(iv) 20 years is the legally set "prescriptive period". It is not necessary for the same
people to have used the route throughout the period but it is necessary for members of
the public to have used the route for this period.
"You're not going to like this bit. I also learned of the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984. I
could tell you things like - when is a road a path and not a road but a Right of Way
anyhow even if it is a path and called a road, but I'd only get you bogged in minutiae
such as it's an offence up to level 3 on the standard scale (current 1,000 UKP) to drive
a motor vehicle on a road without lawful excuse." Although this is disconcerting I'm
not aware that this has ever been used or is generally known.
There is also a
misconception there
is no law of trespass
in Scotland. There
is, it's just that it is
not always
realistically or easily
enforceable and
there is generally a
welcome tolerance
of access to many
areas of land,
particularly to
moorland and
mountain areas.
Therein lies the key
(or not) to accepted
trail riding in
Scotland. Because
there are so few trail
riders in Scotland
and vehicular rights of way (as opposed to e.g. pedestrian) have not been asserted or
validated there are in principal none or at least very few that are recorded. To
understand why, it helps to look at the stated objects and sentiment behind The
Scottish Rights of Way Society which I may add is worthwhile joining.
The objects are:
1. The preservation, defence and acquisition of public rights of way in Scotland.
2. The preservation and restoration of such rights of way as may be in danger of being
lost.
Whilst in principal this is all good news for trail riders, the reality is somewhat
different. The society has been in existence since 1845, long before motor vehicles and
therefore caters for walkers in the main, purely by virtue of history and numbers.
The principal documented use of land by motorcycles is probably the Scottish Six
Days Trial which over the years has catered for 2 and 3 wheeled vehicles. The first
trial was in 1909. The trial has and continues to use rights of way, however this is
done by agreement with landowners, which is in fact how many rights of way come
into being.
Talking Trails -- On a road to nowhere? : Trail Riding in Scotland Page 4 of 6
In many ways it is preferable to do things this way. This ensures all parties concerned
with land use are considered and catered for. Remember much of Scotland relies on
game shooting, hill farming and tourism for its income. So what then of the trail riders
lot?
The hard truth is no one is actively looking after your interests. An example is a
current working party called "The Access Forum". The title of this forum is:
Scotland's Hills and Mountains: a Concordat on Access. Surely this is an ideal
platform for representation by existing pro trail riding groups? Similar less than
satisfactory situations exist with Scottish Natural Heritage ( the replacement for the
Countryside Commission for Scotland) and The Scottish Office. To my
disappointment none of these bodies are pro trail riding or wheeled green tourism,
save for mountain bikes.
What then does today's Scottish trail rider do? Other than straight forward agreements
with landowners, most probably simply go and ride, quietly, out of the way and if
meeting hostile and unknowledgeable persons on the trail then they simply go
somewhere else.
In my own
experience it
does little
good to
attempt to
explain that
you are
asserting
your right of
way or
attempting
for example
to upgrade a
current
pedestrian
right of way
to cart and
carriage access (which conveys a vehicular right) over the prescribed 20 year period -
as by definition you are a motorcyclist and probably unwelcome.
Say you use a route consistently and attempt to assert it as a right, what usually
happens is that gates suddenly become locked, signs are erected (which in themselves
are best ignored and probably not worth the wood they are written on), complaints are
made and what was an open and peaceable ride is no longer. Interdicts by landowners
can be taken out against an individual to prevent them going to a particular place
again, yet this rarely if ever happens due to cost. Likewise few people, once a claimed
right of way is considered in contention, attempt by law to vindicate it. This requires a
declarator to be issued by the court and is reliant on proof of use. It all comes down to
cost. Managed use and use by agreement is cheaper and arguably preferable.
In writing and
researching this article I'd
hoped to learn and tell
how there were many
undisputed or vindicated
trails. Sadly I cannot
conclude this, nor in the
Talking Trails -- On a road to nowhere? : Trail Riding in Scotland space of a magazine Page 5 of 6
article go into all the
caveats and nuances of
law which can at best be
stated as nebulous and
untried. I'd also hoped to
tell of all the positive
action and considerations
that were in place and
planned for us.
Dismayed, tired and
confused from the hopes
and disappointments of
my research I am in no
way surprised that
nothing concrete exists to
say it's 100% legal to ride
here and 100% illegal
there.
Which then of the 12,000 miles of recorded Rights of Way would you like to ride?
Asserted, Vindicated or Claimed?
"Who cares, as long as we stay out of trouble and don't knowingly do anything illegal,
I'll follow you............" This indeed in the absence of accessible maps, access to the
SROW society ROW database, and knowledge may well be your sentiment and the
only action you are left with - until something better comes along.
In summary maybe you'd just like to join me and other like minded (responsible?)
individuals on some known trails - maybe stopping at a mountain bothy on the way?
What are they?
"Simple unlocked shelters for the benefit of all those who love the wild and lonely
places". I guess that says it all.
Of course you have to know where they are in the first place!

AndyT
10-12-07, 22:07
Tim - Iv'e just read your note twice and am none the wiser:o Is it saying there are 12000 miles of trails under dispute or 12000 miles of trails that are no more??

Its such as shame as there are literally undreds of thousands of acres up here that nobody ever even walks on.....

AndyT:cool:

muzvmc
11-12-07, 10:04
Going to re-join. Just printed off the forms. Me and my business partner have decided that the membership fee will be our xmas bonus. (we are only a small business!!!) At least it will last all year.

Phil Clarke
11-12-07, 12:57
I was chatting to the SACU Enduro secretary the other day and he was saying how him and another guy had a Scottish section of the TRF for two years, several years ago. They tried to find some legal routes but came up largely a blank, other than the Corrieairyack pass (which is much disputed) and a route in East Lothian. There a few short sections of unsurfaced road around (the longest is in the borders near to St. Mary's loch) but there is very little information on where they are and most of them are very short in any case.

The next challenge is to convince a certain tree growing, land owning govt agency to develop some trail riding on their land....

Timolgra
11-12-07, 13:40
Tim - Iv'e just read your note twice and am none the wiser:o Is it saying there are 12000 miles of trails under dispute or 12000 miles of trails that are no more??

Its such as shame as there are literally undreds of thousands of acres up here that nobody ever even walks on.....

AndyT:cool:

Here's alink to the article:)
http://www.scottishenduros.co.uk/99/Rushworthrow.PDF

Clive
11-12-07, 13:51
Here's alink to the article:)
http://www.scottishenduros.co.uk/99/Rushworthrow.PDF
Ah, thanks for that - saved me a job of trying to tidy the previous, oddly formatted text :thumb2

cutmorej
11-12-07, 14:20
oh the trf are great my ass ask the lads down the north east and yorkshire weve lost loads of good legal(was)trails around the above areas and yes i was a member of the trf,we all knew what was going on with the downgrading of trails,rupps,boats etc,etc and when the shit hit the fan by all the dogooders and goverment the trf didnt want to know.just passed the buck as for riding in scotland you do need permission of the landowner but they will never give it as this will then let everyone come up to scotland to ride and they dont want that i know as i live up here and spoke to a lot of farmers,game wardens,forestry etc as for corriacher pass that will be a no no very shortly.just my 2 pennys worth sorry if it offends certain people but they say the truth hurts :rob

Timolgra
11-12-07, 17:54
oh the trf are great my ass ask the lads down the north east and yorkshire weve lost loads of good legal(was)trails around the above areas and yes i was a member of the trf,


.just my 2 pennys worth sorry if it offends certain people but they say the truth hurts :rob

Oh well, blame the TRF the despite all they good they do:rolleyes:

AndyT
11-12-07, 20:16
oh the trf are great my ass ask the lads down the north east and yorkshire weve lost loads of good legal(was)trails around the above areas and yes i was a member of the trf,we all knew what was going on with the downgrading of trails,rupps,boats etc,etc and when the shit hit the fan by all the dogooders and goverment the trf didnt want to know.just passed the buck as for riding in scotland you do need permission of the landowner but they will never give it as this will then let everyone come up to scotland to ride and they dont want that i know as i live up here and spoke to a lot of farmers,game wardens,forestry etc as for corriacher pass that will be a no no very shortly.just my 2 pennys worth sorry if it offends certain people but they say the truth hurts :rob

whare exactly is the Corriach pass?? Iv'e heard it mentioned but no idea where it is?? I've been on Wades road near Corgarf Castle and not been chased off.

AndyT:cool:

BGF
12-12-07, 12:05
as for corriacher pass that will be a no no very shortly


whare exactly is the Corriach pass?? Iv'e heard it mentioned but no idea where it is??
Corrieyairack? Melgarve (Laggan) to Fort Augustus.

AndyT
12-12-07, 14:01
Corrieyairack? Melgarve (Laggan) to Fort Augustus.

Excellent, thats one for me to try in the New year when I'm back on shifts and have time on my hands. Is it da tough trail for the Husky or will I manage it on a big boxer??

IainMac
12-12-07, 17:22
oh the trf are great my ass ask the lads down the north east and yorkshire weve lost loads of good legal(was)trails around the above areas and yes i was a member of the trf,we all knew what was going on with the downgrading of trails,rupps,boats etc,etc and when the shit hit the fan by all the dogooders and goverment the trf didnt want to know.just passed the buck as for riding in scotland you do need permission of the landowner but they will never give it as this will then let everyone come up to scotland to ride and they dont want that i know as i live up here and spoke to a lot of farmers,game wardens,forestry etc as for corriacher pass that will be a no no very shortly.just my 2 pennys worth sorry if it offends certain people but they say the truth hurts :rob

Hmmm have to say I found TRF a little to insular for my tastes with a view that knowledge was power , they seemed reluctant to show new members routes on maps and organised run outs were few and far between (for newbies at least ) and the ones that were seemed to be on a need to know basis. On the odd occassion a chap decided to do a guided run it was going to be at a fee per head?

Thats not to say all members were guilty of being tarred with that brush but it wasnt an inspiration for taking up the cudgle of defending the right to use the tracks.

Daithi
12-12-07, 17:37
Hmmm have to say I found TRF a little to insular for my tastes with a view that knowledge was power , they seemed reluctant to show new members routes on maps and organised run outs were few and far between (for newbies at least ) and the ones that were seemed to be on a need to know basis.
Things are a bit like that over here, some of the more experienced lads keep what they know to
themselves, I presume in order to stop the trails being overused and then stopped.

Timpo
12-12-07, 17:55
I presume in order to stop them being overused and then stopped.

Or to stop some newbie turning up freshly armed with a GPS Tracklogger, recording the route and then advertise on sites like UKGSER to lead guided runs around 20 to 40 per person.
It takes a long time in County Council offices researching these old roads and I do get reluctant to 'give it away'.
Once a rider has attended a few of the runs lead by myself, for example, and I see that they are capable of following the code adopted by the likes of the TRF, GLASS or CRAG-UK, then my guard relaxes and information is passed on.
Another quick way of getting into the swing of things, is to offer your services at a Horse Trial/Endurance event, or a lane clearing day. You know, put a little more in, not just 40.

Timpo.

ps. I have not been a member of the TRF whilst using the UKGSER site. But, I (and Sarah Teach) have rejoined for the 2008. Nevertheless, I have been leading one or two trail rides advertised on this site, none of which attendees were charged or asked to make any monitary donation, yep that's right, all totally free of charge.:thumb
T.

AndyT
13-12-07, 01:53
...ps. I have not been a member of the TRF whilst using the UKGSER site. But, I (and Sarah Teach) have rejoined for the 2008. Nevertheless, I have been leading one or two trail rides advertised on this site, none of which attendees were charged or asked to make any monitary donation, yep that's right, all totally free of charge.:thumb
T.

I can vouch for that having spent a weekend with Forry at Timpo and Sarah Teach's abode. (Sarah Teach is a superb hostess too and an amazing cook by the way:clap:clap).

I used to be in the NW TRF when I lived in Stockport and the guys are a bit reserved at first because as Timpo says it takes alot of effort going to the local offices and studying the definitive map to assertain your legal right of way. Loads of people would come along for a week expecting to get an atlas of routes and bugger off..... No pain no gain... as always:thumb

Phil Clarke
19-12-07, 16:58
Andy
There are a couple of threads in the Scottish section on the corrieairyack - its pretty rocky and steep in places so probably a bit much on a big GS. The track is also impassable on the Fort august side for the last 1/4 mile so you have to start at the Laggan end and do a there and back again.

AndyT
19-12-07, 17:03
Andy
There are a couple of threads in the Scottish section on the corrieairyack - its pretty rocky and steep in places so probably a bit much on a big GS. The track is also impassable on the Fort august side for the last 1/4 mile so you have to start at the Laggan end and do a there and back again.

Phil - is it impassable due to blockages or has it fallen away, to rocky etc!!!

AndyT:cool:

Phil Clarke
20-12-07, 13:11
Look at the map below the pass is the red dotted line. The last section (about the last 500m just below the black dot) is basically an 8 foot deep by 10 feet wide gully full of huge rocks - me and my mates mountainbiked the pass a few years ago and we had to carry right through this section - its probably alot worse now. If your name was Dougie and you were on a montesa you might do it but for a normal trail bike it would be nigh on impossible. There is an alternative at the top of the washout (by Culachy ho) but the landowner is apparently wise to folk trying to bypass the washout and the gate is either locked or he will stop you himself.

There and back from the Laggan side seems to be the best bet plus you get to do both sides as a climb and descent!

I think the access issues are still very gray but I've met several people who have done it and never had any hassle - infact Landrover owner magazine did a feature on driving it so it must be ok....

BuzzFan
13-03-09, 09:40
I couldn't agree more Clive. I enjoyed another 60mile cracking ride around Boxhill, Newlands Corner, West Horsley, Shere, Framley Green on Saturday morning fuelled by tea and bacon sandwiches. A top bunch of like minded blokes. We were so wet and muddy we laughed like school boys at the tsunamis rising as we crashed through puddles. As much fun as you can have with your clothes on.

Jeremy
Surrey TRF Member

Hi - was thinking of joining TRF, but couldnt find access to their forum. I was wondering how "sloshy" their routes were! Would the road tyres on my beta alp be insufficient, and/or if I px the Beta for a 650GS, would this be too heavy?

Clive
13-03-09, 10:37
Hi - was thinking of joining TRF, but couldnt find access to their forum.
I don't think there is a central TRF forum. The local groups tend to do their own thing, e.g. my local group uses Yahoo groups. You need to be a TRF member to apply to join the group.

Hew
13-03-09, 16:38
Yes there is a National forum that you have to be a TRF member to log in.

This is the web site and you can join on line.

http://www.trf.org.uk/

WorkyTicket
21-03-09, 13:51
I've found loads of unsurfaced roads in Scotland with loads of traffic on them this weekend alone....

...granted they are all in Glasgow City!!!:eek:

What's going on with the roads in Glasgow, is the council spending all the cash on Buckfast or something?:eek

(no offence meant to Glasgow Council, I'm sure you're trying your best):thumb

ONYERBIKE
20-01-10, 16:51
I just recently signed up with my local TRF group in sunny Hertfordshire.
Had a trial day out with them in December to see if it was what I was looking for before spending me hard earned 41.(got an extra sticker :D)

Great day out :thumb

GFJ
05-12-10, 22:10
I've also recently joined my local TRF (N Wales) and my experience has been a positive one. Whilst I know many of the trails in my immediate locality, joining in the group rides has helped me find new routes and challenges.

I like the fact that the rides are controlled (max number of riders, legal routes, consideration to other users and residents etc), and the feedback from the public that we have met has been polite and positive. I've met some great people on these rides.

I also like the fact that there are some individuals within the group who will go out of their way to help newcomers, lead rides for those 'not from around here', organise ride weekends etc on this and other forums which also helps put some sought after money into the local economy. From what I can figure, none of this has been done for any personal financial gain. When my skills are up, I'll happily help out and assist in running/leading on these events.

Re organised rides, the local group are very active, with a good number of rides planned each month. I went on 3 last month, and am scheduled for 2 this month. In addition to this, there are always the informal rides that are planned at short notice, maybe going with people of similar ability etc. After all, you quickly form friendships in this game and you can;t really expect all 40-50 people to go out together!

So, from my point of view; it's good, and the future is not orange!:D

JohnnyBoxer
05-12-10, 22:24
I've also recently joined my local TRF (N Wales) and my experience has been a positive one. Whilst I know many of the trails in my immediate locality, joining in the group rides has helped me find new routes and challenges.

I like the fact that the rides are controlled (max number of riders, legal routes, consideration to other users and residents etc), and the feedback from the public that we have met has been polite and positive. I've met some great people on these rides.

I also like the fact that there are some individuals within the group who will go out of their way to help newcomers, lead rides for those 'not from around here', organise ride weekends etc on this and other forums which also helps put some sought after money into the local economy. From what I can figure, none of this has been done for any personal financial gain. When my skills are up, I'll happily help out and assist in running/leading on these events.

Re organised rides, the local group are very active, with a good number of rides planned each month. I went on 3 last month, and am scheduled for 2 this month. In addition to this, there are always the informal rides that are planned at short notice, maybe going with people of similar ability etc. After all, you quickly form friendships in this game and you can;t really expect all 40-50 people to go out together!

So, from my point of view; it's good, and the future is not orange!:D

How do they view the G650 Xchallenge on rideouts?

PDiddy
06-12-10, 06:33
How do they view the G650 Xchallenge on rideouts?

The chaps in the Peaks just laugh at me on the 950SE, but there has been only one trail I couldn't get it up and most of them were struggling to...

Timpo
06-12-10, 07:36
The chaps in the Peaks just laugh at me on the 950SE, but there has been only one trail I couldn't get it up and most of them were struggling to...

It's called 'care in the community'.....:augie
Did they miss Chapelgate, Hollinsclough and Three Shires Head out?:P

T.

PDiddy
06-12-10, 10:54
It's called 'care in the community'.....:augie
Did they miss Chapelgate, Hollinsclough and Three Shires Head out?:P

T.

LOL - The only one I haven't done both ways is Hollinsclough - :eek:

GFJ
06-12-10, 21:38
How do they view the G650 Xchallenge on rideouts?

Usually from the front!:comfort

Well, it would appear that size is important:blast, which is contrary to the message that I have been promulgating for a number of years:D

The initial reaction would appear to fall somewhere between WTF and a healthy degree of scepticism. Whether that's because I'm a relative newbie (or rusty oldie) on trails, the bike, or a combination thereof I'm not sure.

That said, for many of those that I've ridden with, it's generated a fair amount of interest and discussion, probably as they don't seem that common and are definately not the steed of choice for the trails round here. The feedback re the bike has been good, and has pleasantly surprised a few with what it will do. People's experence may be of the Transalps and Dominators of old, and this is a totally different beast

My view is the bike is great, and it's capabilities are far beyond my current ability (though I hasten to add that I am working on that). Mechanically it's very strong, and does not suffer in deep water, being dropped etc.

On the horizon I have a DRZ E lined up to get on the road, which will be a little lighter though still relatively heavy in trail terms. It'll be interesting to see what difference that brings.

JohnnyBoxer
06-12-10, 22:22
Usually from the front!:comfort

Well, it would appear that size is important:blast, which is contrary to the message that I have been promulgating for a number of years:D

The initial reaction would appear to fall somewhere between WTF and a healthy degree of scepticism. Whether that's because I'm a relative newbie (or rusty oldie) on trails, the bike, or a combination thereof I'm not sure.

That said, for many of those that I've ridden with, it's generated a fair amount of interest and discussion, probably as they don't seem that common and are definately not the steed of choice for the trails round here. The feedback re the bike has been good, and has pleasantly surprised a few with what it will do. People's experence may be of the Transalps and Dominators of old, and this is a totally different beast

My view is the bike is great, and it's capabilities are far beyond my current ability (though I hasten to add that I am working on that). Mechanically it's very strong, and does not suffer in deep water, being dropped etc.

On the horizon I have a DRZ E lined up to get on the road, which will be a little lighter though still relatively heavy in trail terms. It'll be interesting to see what difference that brings.

Good thoughts....................I went to a TRF meeting to see some mates earlier in the year, that I used to ride with 15 years ago and when I told them what bike I had.....they pissed themselves and fell about laughing:blast

OscarIndia
22-04-11, 19:05
Sealed the envelope with my gubbins in to join today. In the post tomorrow.

GFJ
03-05-12, 19:45
Anyone know whether this is still up? Been struggling to get on it since the weekend, my browser just times out.
Gareth

Hew
03-05-12, 23:06
Anyone know whether this is still up? Been struggling to get on it since the weekend, my browser just times out.
Gareth

The site is still live just not very active