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R1200RIDER
24-10-12, 07:19
Anyone else heading over to an open evening at all? There's one at the Birmingham branch if anyones interested in meeting up?

Just need to put your name here;
http://www.triumphbirmingham.co.uk/vip.html

:beerjug:

mfg
24-10-12, 14:38
I saw 2 at the intermot show, a standard and an SE. I can't say I was impressed because I wasn't, nothing really stands out for me and I thought expensive (at least in Germany), 18000 Euros for the standard and a whopping 19000 Euros for the SE model and that doe's not include top box and the heated seats. Not enough thought has gone into the switches and layout of the buttons as well. Just my 2p worth.

Mike

babble
05-11-12, 19:53
I think you need to ride one to appreciate it. I wasn't that interested in how the bike looked, but after a weekend of riding I was blown away, and it even seemed more exciting to look at. I owned an R1100RT for a year, and have briefly ridden a R1200rt... I'd go for the triumph by a wide margin. Definitely worth a test ride if you are leaning in that direction.

R1200RIDER
07-11-12, 09:03
Thanks for the info, got my test ride this weekend looking forward to what looks like a cracking bike :beerjug:

beemerboy9
10-11-12, 18:30
The German Motorcycle press seem to like Triumphs - and the Trophy has just gleaned one of the highest test scores ever in Motorrad magazine. The scoring system really does favour the all-round machine and the BMW Tourers traditionally benefit from the marking schema. If my memory serves me correctly the score would have equaled the K1300GT, and therefore lie somewhere between the K16 and the RT.

yoxi675
11-11-12, 17:16
Had a look at one today. It's a big old bus. More buttons on the bars than my tv remote. I did resist the urge to take it for a run. Only just.
There are a lot of neat touches such as heated seats and the radio. I did think the front fairing invited stones into the huge radiator tho

ebbo
11-11-12, 17:34
"after a weekend of riding I was blown away - I owned an R1100RT for a year, and have briefly ridden a R1200rt... I'd go for the triumph by a wide margin"Well that sounds encouraging at least...

wessie
11-11-12, 17:50
Kev likes it http://www.ashonbikes.com/content/triumph-trophy-review

It amuses me that ill fitting panniers are now considered a design feature :augie

V2 TRV
11-11-12, 18:25
If kev likes it....

Mmmm

BBB61
15-11-12, 18:02
If kev likes it....

Mmmm

He's a journo:rolleyes:

R1200RIDER
19-11-12, 15:24
He's a journo:rolleyes:

:yelrotflm

In other news I took the Trophy out for a blast - a good 3 hours or so at the dealership in Birmingham and they offered me a deal I couldn't resist :augie

So I've ordered one, got to wait a couple of months for arrival but can't wait :bounce1

Timaloy
19-11-12, 21:52
Well I don't like the look of it at all.
But if Triumph can offer 3 things that seem to be completely beyond BMW Motorrad, reliability, build quality and customer service I'll certainly be seriously considering one of these as an option when the RT's due to be changed.

BBB61
19-11-12, 23:42
Well I don't like the look of it at all.
But if Triumph can offer 3 things that seem to be completely beyond BMW Motorrad, reliability, build quality and customer service I'll certainly be seriously considering one of these as an option when the RT's due to be changed.

Triumph are clueless when it comes to customer service and their build quality is not a patch on their earlier bikes pre 2003. The warranty department at the factory are a joke and don't have a very good reputation.

llotse
20-11-12, 01:07
Triumph are clueless when it comes to customer service and their build quality is not a patch on their earlier bikes pre 2003. The warranty department at the factory are a joke and don't have a very good reputation.

Its not only BMW designs they copy then?

BBB61
20-11-12, 02:04
Its not only BMW designs they copy then?

They didn't copy that from BMW, they did it all on their own.

Timaloy
20-11-12, 07:33
Oh dear, that doesn't make for very pretty reading.
Anybody got any ideas when Honda are likely to drag the Pan European into the 21st century?

:topic I know, but tenuously relevant perhaps?

BBB61
20-11-12, 09:49
Oh dear, that doesn't make for very pretty reading.
Anybody got any ideas when Honda are likely to drag the Pan European into the 21st century?

:topic I know, but tenuously relevant perhaps?

It won't be 2013, so you are looking at 2014 at the earliest. The first Pan had a 12 year run before the current one replaced it in 2002 so if Honda are sticking with a 12 year production run then 2014 could be a good bet.

JENKS
20-11-12, 10:27
Triumph are clueless when it comes to customer service and their build quality is not a patch on their earlier bikes pre 2003. The warranty department at the factory are a joke and don't have a very good reputation.

I Totally disagree with the above. I have had 5 Triumphs, in the last few years, (955 Speed Triple bought second hand, 1050 Sprint ABS bought new, Daytona 675 SE bought new, Tiger 1050 bought second hand and a 1200 Explorer bought new)

All have been well built and reliable with the exception of the speed triple. The regulator burnt out, taking the wiring loom with it, the bike was 4 years old and bought privately second hand, my local dealer collected the bike, did the repairs and delivered it back home, the bill, don't worry about that sir, we'll claim it back from Triumph.

I never got that service from BMW.

Andrew

team duvet
20-11-12, 11:11
I heard via the press (I know :nenau) that Honda had a new Pan ready but stopped it after the launch on the BMW GT16...like I say it was a press article:pullface

One thing for sure when big H do launch a new Pan is will be very nice. Once bought a brand new ST1100 Lapis blue, one of the best bikes I ever owned :bounce1

TD
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Nice 'n' Fat
20-11-12, 11:41
I Totally disagree with the above. I have had 5 Triumphs, in the last few years, (955 Speed Triple bought second hand, 1050 Sprint ABS bought new, Daytona 675 SE bought new, Tiger 1050 bought second hand and a 1200 Explorer bought new)

All have been well built and reliable with the exception of the speed triple. The regulator burnt out, taking the wiring loom with it, the bike was 4 years old and bought privately second hand, my local dealer collected the bike, did the repairs and delivered it back home, the bill, don't worry about that sir, we'll claim it back from Triumph.

I never got that service from BMW.

Andrew

Wow that's incredible .... I never got that level of service from my local Triumph dealer even after spending 12k on a brand new Rocket III. That would always piss the contents of its oil tank all over the floor wherever it was parked, just like some excited 350kg puppy :mad:

I think you should name & shame the dealership as this clearly isn't the kind of reputation Triumph dealers tend to generate :thumb2

BBB61
20-11-12, 12:31
I Totally disagree with the above. I have had 5 Triumphs, in the last few years, (955 Speed Triple bought second hand, 1050 Sprint ABS bought new, Daytona 675 SE bought new, Tiger 1050 bought second hand and a 1200 Explorer bought new)

All have been well built and reliable with the exception of the speed triple. The regulator burnt out, taking the wiring loom with it, the bike was 4 years old and bought privately second hand, my local dealer collected the bike, did the repairs and delivered it back home, the bill, don't worry about that sir, we'll claim it back from Triumph.

I never got that service from BMW.

Andrew

I can only speak from my own experience of owning two Sprint ST's and the numerous issues I had with both. The build quality on the first ST (a 1999 model) was good but the second one (2004)was shoddy. The reaction from Triumph was even shoddier and they refused to do anything about the issues, despite my dealer backing me and telling the factory the bike was well looked after.

BMW's service, in my own personal experience, is far superior to the joke that Triumph claim is proper customer service.

Timaloy
20-11-12, 13:34
Jings crivvens.
I'm currently in dispute with BMW Motorrad about something and I've never known such a woeful 'couldn't care less' attitude from any company.
Triumph would have to try very, very hard to be worse and even then I don't think they'd achieve it.

Cheers for the 'heads up regarding the Pan. 2014 will fit n nicely as the RT will be getting close to 10k miles then and due for a change.:augie

BBB61
20-11-12, 14:45
Jings crivvens.
I'm currently in dispute with BMW Motorrad about something and I've never known such a woeful 'couldn't care less' attitude from any company.
Triumph would have to try very, very hard to be worse and even then I don't think they'd achieve it.

In my personal experience they hit rock bottom and started to dig. Paint flaked off a number of painted components within the first year and their response was to write to me and tell me I should have followed the instructions in the owners handbook on how to clean the bike. It wasn't their fault that they didn't paint components properly.

They followed that up by telling me I should have also followed the instructions on using corrosion inhibitors that were in the handbook. Except the only mention of "corrosion inhibitors" in the handbook was in relation to anti freeze and no mention of using them when cleaning the bike.

I wouldn't touch a Triumph with a bargepole, based on my own personal experiences of owning two of them from new, both which had more issues combined than I have had from several BMW's.


Cheers for the 'heads up regarding the Pan. 2014 will fit n nicely as the RT will be getting close to 10k miles then and due for a change.:augie

It's just a guess on a new Pan for 2014, and nothing more.

JENKS
20-11-12, 17:02
quoteIn my personal experience they hit rock bottom and started to dig. Paint flaked off a number of painted components within the first year and their response was to write to me and tell me I should have followed the instructions in the owners handbook on how to clean the bike. It wasn't their fault that they didn't paint components properly.

Bob, is that Triumph's or BMW's paint, I presume it's the front forks, telelever and frame from our beloved GS's. ??????

I guess a lot of the issues comes down to the dealer you are with, and how they interact with Triumph HQ, but all my new bikes have come from Destination Triumph, Washington, West Sussex. :thumb2

Andrew

The Nutty KTMer
20-11-12, 17:45
quoteIn my personal experience they hit rock bottom and started to dig. Paint flaked off a number of painted components within the first year and their response was to write to me and tell me I should have followed the instructions in the owners handbook on how to clean the bike. It wasn't their fault that they didn't paint components properly.

Bob, is that Triumph's or BMW's paint, I presume it's the front forks, telelever and frame from our beloved GS's. ??????

I guess a lot of the issues comes down to the dealer you are with, and how they interact with Triumph HQ, but all my new bikes have come from Destination Triumph, Washington, West Sussex. :thumb2

Andrew

He's talking about Triumph paint:rob

BBB61
20-11-12, 18:44
Bob, is that Triumph's or BMW's paint, I presume it's the front forks, telelever and frame from our beloved GS's. ??????

I guess a lot of the issues comes down to the dealer you are with, and how they interact with Triumph HQ, but all my new bikes have come from Destination Triumph, Washington, West Sussex. :thumb2

Andrew

Triumph paint of course Andrew:D I bought my second ST from Boyer Racing in Plumstead and they were very highly regarded. But a warranty claim shouldn't come down to how the dealer gets on with the importer or factory. The problem at the time was down to that comedic double act at Hinckley of Swepson and Smart (he didn't live up to his name).

Timaloy
29-11-12, 08:16
Went & had a look at the Trophy at my local dealer yesterday.
The screen showing the various radio/suspension options certainly looked better & more user friendly than the RT but that aside I can't say it had much else in it's favour IMO.

TBH it looked to me like a prototype for a great touring bike, as if someone had thought about all the bits you might want on a long distance bike & lumped them all on wherever they could find the space as they thought of each idea.

But the RT looks like the finished model, so to speak. As if someone said 'Yes, great ideas, now let's make them all integral & easy to get to.'.

In essence, for me, the Trophy looked agricultural, basic & cheap (though I know it isn't), compared to the RT which looks sleek, well designed & overall far more aesthetically pleasing.

I've certainly ruled the Trophy out on the basis of it's first incarnation.

Big Nick
29-11-12, 12:46
Most reviews are still putting the RT ahead of the Trophy overall as a touring machine.

It's a shame that despite several years of development Triumph can't turn out a better bike than the BMW which has been out several years in its current form and is also no doubt due a water cooled update.

I think when you're new to the market it's wise to slightly undercut the competition which again Triumph have failed to do in the case of the Trophy

I intend buying a dedicated tourer in a couple of years time but as things stand it ain't going to be the Triumph

zoltan
01-12-12, 20:34
Jan. issue Bike. 2 riders ,2 different opinions.
Note the width of the TT

Timaloy
03-12-12, 18:36
That's very unfair. They've got it alongside the prettiest colour of all the RT's......

Seriously though when I looked at one it seemed that the panniers were wider than the mirrors. Not saying that's definite but it looked that way.

JKW
03-12-12, 23:33
If you're going to have a true side by side comparison you really need to take your photos from the same angle of elevation otherwise the lower-shot bike is going to look fat....maybe that's what was intended. Cynical? Me? :augie

Timaloy
06-12-12, 19:29
If you're going to have a true side by side comparison you really need to take your photos from the same angle of elevation otherwise the lower-shot bike is going to look fat....maybe that's what was intended. Cynical? Me? :augie

Aahh but the camera never lies. :augie

stevie Allen
09-12-12, 09:29
Most reviews are still putting the RT ahead of the Trophy overall as a touring machine.

It's a shame that despite several years of development Triumph can't turn out a better bike than the BMW which has been out several years in its current form and is also no doubt due a water cooled update.

I think when you're new to the market it's wise to slightly undercut the competition which again Triumph have failed to do in the case of the Trophy

I intend buying a dedicated tourer in a couple of years time but as things stand it ain't going to be the Triumph

It's going to be interesting to see the the new re- vamped rt with the new watercooled engine, if they do what they have done with the new GS. Are we going to see a new bike from the ground up :flag

red1
09-12-12, 11:09
That's very unfair. They've got it alongside the prettiest colour of all the RT's......

Seriously though when I looked at one it seemed that the panniers were wider than the mirrors. Not saying that's definite but it looked that way.

The only tourer I could ever get through our side gate without taking off the panniers was the Honda ST1300. Both the RT1200 and GT1200 were too wide. And it was the smoothest engine of he lot!