Help wanted for my Dad's DOT

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My dad has a Dot Scrambler with a 197cc Villiers 2 Stroke engine. Since taking it apart in 1961 he has now rebuilt it and got it through 2 MOT's however, it is still not quite right in the engine department.

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Does anyone know of anybody who operates in the South Staffs area, who would be prepared to help him with the timing and have a look at the magneto (I believe he has a bit to put in the magneto if the cover would come off).

I'd be grateful if someone could help, as the bike doesn't start easily and doesn't always stay 'going' and the last thing he needs at 80 is to be continually kicking the engine over.

Thank you.
 
I'm not much help to you but these guys are at Brierly Hill (Dudley) in the West Midlands http://www.villiersservices.co.uk/ May be worth talking to them. They do a complete electronic replacement or just new coils on an exchange basis.

Your Dads done a cracking job with that bike.
 
i used to have something similar
i used to have a set of nicads in a waistpipe tube strapped to underside of the frame crossmember they would help the bike spark better at starting then the coils ( inside the mag) would produce AC that ran through a rectifier to back charge the batteries
The mag is retained in a tapered shaft that has a woodruff key to stop it turning
HTHY
In Spain in the sun at mo so bugger yer !!
 
Crank seals are the first place to look if powers dropping off as it gets warm, bloody pains in the arse, Villiers 197's :(

Resto' looks great though :thumb
 
Rob Farmer said:
I'm not much help to you but these guys are at Brierly Hill (Dudley) in the West Midlands http://www.villiersservices.co.uk/ May be worth talking to them. They do a complete electronic replacement or just new coils on an exchange basis.

Your Dads done a cracking job with that bike.
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Thanks Rob, I think he's done an amazing job. When the engine runs it's good. Rebuilt by his brother in 1962, started up in 2012 with no further work to it.

My Dad has visited the people at Brierly Hill a few times, however, he doesn't want to have to tow the bike all that way, unless he really has to. It may come to that, of course.
 
MickDB1 said:
i used to have something similar
i used to have a set of nicads in a waistpipe tube strapped to underside of the frame crossmember they would help the bike spark better at starting then the coils ( inside the mag) would produce AC that ran through a rectifier to back charge the batteries
The mag is retained in a tapered shaft that has a woodruff key to stop it turning
HTHY
In Spain in the sun at mo so bugger yer !!
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Thanks Mick, I remember you've advised me on your mods before. Not to be funny, but I think the woodruff key is the key to him not being able to take the magneto apart.

When you're back from Spain ...... :augie

Enjoy the sunshine, due to snow here tomorrow!
 
my first bike was a James Captain and it had the villiers 8E 197 like that. i had a problem with it where it would be difficult to start and then a mile or two up the road would stop. it would start again but didn't run for long. it was the condenser at fault as it was completely failing when it got hot due to heat transfer from the engine. dead easy to do. the flywheel is on a taper and iirc just unscrew the holding nut and it should undo and bring the flywheel off with it (self extracting). change the condenser. for re-timing have a look here.

http://www.klassiekrijden.nu/techniek/villiers1953-mk12d-instructions.pdf

good luck.
 
I live South Staffs and have a van, if your dad needs a hand taking his bike to Brierley Hill I am willing to help out:thumb2
 
Well done chaps.

A proper bike and a proper rider, I'm sure.
 
Shep said:
DOT = Devoid Of Trouble!!
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That is indeed the company's tag line, however, I read somewhere, that the chap who started the company had a daughter called Dorothy, named it after her, and then when asked, had to come up with something a bit more meaningful, hence Devoid Of Trouble.
 
Just as a matter of interest and no help to you whatsoever, but my Dad's cousin had works rides for Dot, Greeves and Cotton in both Scrambles and Grasstrack (very rare to have a factory grass track bike) in the 50's and 60's, he and his pals featured highly in my formative years!
 
Shep said:
Just as a matter of interest and no help to you whatsoever, but my Dad's cousin had works rides for Dot, Greeves and Cotton in both Scrambles and Grasstrack (very rare to have a factory grass track bike) in the 50's and 60's, he and his pals featured highly in my formative years!
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The weekend just gone, a friend and I rode down to the Sammy Miller museum near the New Forest. Very interesting bikes there, including a good selection of off road competition bikes. Worth a visit.
 
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