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    I'll either join this run as tail end charlie or if numbers are bigger, I'll lead another run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crapaud View Post
    I'll either join this run as tail end charlie or if numbers are bigger, I'll lead another run.
    If you're getting out and about, so am I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crapaud View Post
    I'll either join this run as tail end charlie or if numbers are bigger, I'll lead another run.

    Quote Originally Posted by Proff View Post
    If you're getting out and about, so am I

    Who's doing the workshop bit then?



    Trippy,

    I'll be fitting TKC's ready for The Llangollen weekend. So I'll be on a bike that can be used off road (within the limitations of the reduced ground clearance on the 100GS) though it might not actually be the Airhead As Jill might be happily pulling that apart under the watchful eye of the resident expert
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    But it's ok. I have an AA card



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    You know!?, it's the people who live in the land that always seem to make it more beautiful than it already appears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Proff View Post
    If you're getting out and about, so am I
    Quote Originally Posted by VAL. H. View Post
    Who's doing the workshop bit then?


    Quite


    Going out with Sid next friday to confirm the route, any tracks will be easy and with-in everyones ability. Reckon on an hour for lunch, tea stops, maybe a visit to HMP Dartmoor museum and 100 miles top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trippy View Post
    Quite

    QUIET YOU


    Going out with Sid next friday to confirm the route, any tracks will be easy and with-in everyones ability. Reckon on an hour for lunch, tea stops, maybe a visit to HMP Dartmoor museum and 100 miles top.

    Probably me and some others will be tweaking and HELPING others who want to work on their bikes....
    Don't forget Sid ain't kicking you off site on Sunday, some may have another ride out on the Sunday and then leave Monday

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    Trippy is a worrier

    Just had 30 minute phone call with Trippy who is worried that if he leads the ride out he will be personally liable for all who follow him. He is then worried that one of you might have a fatal accident. He is then worried that either one of your relatives or Plod decide that the "ride leader" is responsible. Bit of a worrier that boy.

    I tried to assure Trippy that nobody would ever consider him responsible...

    I would therefore like to make it clear here that anyone who comes on the road ride does so wholly at their own risk. It is entirely up to them to decide on the acceptable risks of riding a motorcycle on the public highway. We will comply with the legal requirements at all times and keep wholly within all speed limits (we are on airheads after all...) .

    Time for bed.

    Trippy has cured me of my insomnia.

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    Thanks trippy..best (nice) laugh I've had in ages.....remind me not to take you up in a microlight with me !!

    Of course, I'll be bringing my legal representative with me on the run......just in case, you understand !!
    Remember, we are only here for a good time, not a long time !

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    I have decided after a great deal of thought that I would rather not lead a ride out at an event organized on UKGSer for the following reason.

    I have spoken to several people who have been on organized rideouts of late where people have been involved in accidents both injury and damage only. I deal with motorcycle accidents at work every week and I know that if we attended a fatal RTC and there were 10 other riders at the scene who had come from all over the country to an organized event and who were following me on a ride I had planned and was leading, it would be me who would be potenially answering questions in a coroners court and possibilly to the legal departments of insurance companies.

    Call it how you like, but I have to ask myself if this is a position I want to be in without the insurance and legal support that an event run by a proper motorcycle club gives me and the answer has to be NO.

    This subject has been debated here many times in the past and just googling GSCLUB rideout liability brings back a thread on this site from 2005 where Judge writes ....


    In essence my understanding is this.

    Scenario 1 - Informal

    I ring up or PM a couple of mates, say where I'm going and when and where I will meet them. No briefing, no route given nil, zip nada.

    I don't believe I have any responsibility/liability as an organiser in this given scenario


    Scenario 2 - Formal

    I post an announcement on a forum that I plan to organise a ride out, I invite people to join the ride out. I post route information, start times etc.

    I believe in this scenario, in the event of an incident I might (correctly or incorrectly) be held responsible/liable for the ride out on which the incident occured.

    These are two extremes and there are many levels in between which sit in the grey area.

    I don't have to worry I can go both ways, I can and have followed the considered 'best practice' and had events covered under the scheme operated by the BMF through the GS Club UK and I have arranged informal gatherings also.

    Whichever best suits the situation best

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    Considering you were the one that wanted a rideout,
    and also insisted on organising the same.
    I think it's a bit of bad form to let us know that you are not interested this late in the day...
    No doubt some fine upstanding Devon airhead rider will step in and fill your boots [maybe with piss] and offer to lead....
    I'll pencil in a nice route and see if someone else will go for a ride, with anyone who wants too, following




    SID !! I think Ann may win her bet

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    Sounds like



    to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trippy View Post
    I have decided after a great deal of thought that I would rather not lead a ride out at an event organized on UKGSer for the following reason.

    I have spoken to several people who have been on organized rideouts of late where people have been involved in accidents both injury and damage only. I deal with motorcycle accidents at work every week and I know that if we attended a fatal RTC and there were 10 other riders at the scene who had come from all over the country to an organized event and who were following me on a ride I had planned and was leading, it would be me who would be potenially answering questions in a coroners court and possibilly to the legal departments of insurance companies.

    Call it how you like, but I have to ask myself if this is a position I want to be in without the insurance and legal support that an event run by a proper motorcycle club gives me and the answer has to be NO.

    This subject has been debated here many times in the past and just googling GSCLUB rideout liability brings back a thread on this site from 2005 where Judge writes ....


    In essence my understanding is this.

    Scenario 1 - Informal

    I ring up or PM a couple of mates, say where I'm going and when and where I will meet them. No briefing, no route given nil, zip nada.

    I don't believe I have any responsibility/liability as an organiser in this given scenario


    Scenario 2 - Formal

    I post an announcement on a forum that I plan to organise a ride out, I invite people to join the ride out. I post route information, start times etc.

    I believe in this scenario, in the event of an incident I might (correctly or incorrectly) be held responsible/liable for the ride out on which the incident occured.

    These are two extremes and there are many levels in between which sit in the grey area.

    I don't have to worry I can go both ways, I can and have followed the considered 'best practice' and had events covered under the scheme operated by the BMF through the GS Club UK and I have arranged informal gatherings also.

    Whichever best suits the situation best
    Trippy

    You are a good mate and I don't want to fall out with you but I think your post above is the biggest load of bollox you have ever posted!

    I asked you many times exactly what it is that you think you could be liable for and you couldn't answer. Instead you just kept repeating third hand myths that you could be "liable". Liable for what? Causing death by dangerous driving? Racing on a public highway?

    To be "liable" for anything you would either have to break the law or be guilty of negligence.

    I am happy to go out on a ride out and if others choose to follow then that is there own peresonal responsibility. We are not charging money for this event, we are not saying that it is a event where we will take any responsibility for other riders over and above the normal duty of care due to fellow road users.

    This attitude is similar to the issue discussed in the H&S Rant. Do people take responsibility for their own actions or do they want insurance to cover their own arse if thinks go wrong.

    Everyone has different levels of risk. Some people will forego all safety nets and live a high risk life whilst others such as yourself want to be insured and covered for all eventualities. I tend to be more in the risk takers category as I firmly believe life is for living. I find it surprisingly that you even risk riding a motorcycle if you are so worried about "what if" scenarios.

    I seriously think you have allowed yourself to be frightened off by misleading information and myths.

    Worst case scenario, you lead a road ride and their is a fatal accident. The police would ask for witness statements from everyone in the group. Even if everyone else all unanimously cried "Its all Trippy's fault", the police would still have to prove that you were guilty of something (apart from being a pathological worrier). If you have not been negligent, you have nothing to worry about.

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    AHH
    so it's all Judges fault !!!













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    Now Trippy has bottled it ...we need to bring in a specialist ( it may cost but Sid and Proff are loaded ) so maybe we should contact Tarka

    At the end of the day, guys, the old saying applies to biking "who had hold of the handlebars".

    We can all retire to the bar(s) instead...Trippy can get the first round in
    Remember, we are only here for a good time, not a long time !

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    FFS

    I will lead a ride If no one else will step up and lead. dont know the area very well so will probably end up on the beach at westward ho!

    what would the H&s brigade say about an inexpirienced leader leading LOL

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    Nice one Bumpmuncher and the others who have stepped forwards, I'd lead myself but am being confined to workshop all day Saturday..
    But a nice Bimble round Beautiful Devon lanes, up around the Dartmoor loop road at Oke with opportunity to have a little ford [or not] then probably to Oke station [might be puff puffs ] then along to Sticklepath for another little used lane, as shown in Trippys recce pics then a gentle meander back to Sids for a damn good laugh

    If folk don't want to get feet wet or bikes muddy, there are ride arounds the mucky lanes etc

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    I would be happy to lead, or help out, in a rideout.

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