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    Quote Originally Posted by giles lamb View Post
    A vip escort working bike (as opposed to the easy rider) will arrive in a junction, finding neutral on the move whilst braking with his foot and stopping the traffic with a hand in the air, from 50, 60, 70mph? Brake with your foot? brake with your hand? neutral at 30mph without looking? You simply won't cope unless you have excellent machine control. (Infact if yer having to think bike control, you're no good for the team...)
    So what were Kent Police escorting when several (10-12) police vans were going across the Elephant and Castle roundabout about 0650 this morning. I assumed that they were all heading for a breakfast meeting somewhere and were worried that it was getting cold!

    A nice lot of outriders out as well stopping me at the roundabout and then doing the normal haring past to catch up with the convoy.
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    Ummm, I'm on my four days off at the mo so I don't know. The Met are normaly pretty self sufficient - sure it was Kent? (Maybe they were off to the theatre with Camilla???!!)

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    ....... Aha..!! Student protests I understand!!

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    What a fantastic presentation. Well done.There's a lot of hard work gone into that. I am indifferent re the finger on the brakes stuff. The safety points matter though.
    Too shiny and clean to use it properly.

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    Awesome reading. Thanks Giles. Can anyone explicitly explain "fisting the throttle" to me? Not being facetious or dirty here, but want to make sure I get up to speed (oops, no pun meant) on what I should and shouldn't do?

    I assume it means all fingers on throttle and make a fist? or is the above and a forward/close throttle movement?
    Secondly, in slow traffic does anyone feather the clutch (I don't, but was wondering) on a gs 1200 and is it okay to do so, if done so? Answers appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adventuredon View Post
    Secondly, in slow traffic does anyone feather the clutch (I don't, but was wondering) on a gs 1200 and is it okay to do so, if done so? Answers appreciated.
    On my RT12 I feather the clutch when practising slow riding. As long as you keep revs fairly low (I use 2 to 3k on rev counter) it should be OK. It's the high revs and slipping the clutch which kills a dry clutch quickly.
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    thanks. Good to know, however, when I did my training the instructor bought a new 2nd hand bike halfway through the course as he had slipped the clutch too many times on his initial BMW trainer and didn't realise it was a dry clutch (hence it burned out). He said cost of replacement was prohibitive, so rather bought a different bike with a wet clutch. Any truth in this you reckon? It was that comment that made me wonder what damage slow speed feathering can have on a dry clutch.

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    A superb read Giles, very informative and very relevant

    You quote the sentence early on....

    "Learn that phrase off by heart. 'What can I see, What can't I see, What might I reasonably expect to develop'."

    Spot on of course, I simplify it a little and ask myself ... How can I get hurt here?
    In every developing situation I'm asking myself ... "How can I get hurt here?"

    Keep up the good work

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    Quote Originally Posted by adventuredon View Post
    Can anyone explicitly explain "fisting the throttle" to me?

    This bit wasn't very well received!!!

    By this I mean wrapping all your fingers round the throttle and not dangling fingers over the brakelever. It's a personal opinon, but it didn't go down to well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adventuredon View Post
    thanks. Good to know, however, when I did my training the instructor bought a new 2nd hand bike halfway through the course as he had slipped the clutch too many times on his initial BMW trainer and didn't realise it was a dry clutch (hence it burned out). He said cost of replacement was prohibitive, so rather bought a different bike with a wet clutch. Any truth in this you reckon? It was that comment that made me wonder what damage slow speed feathering can have on a dry clutch.

    I can understand that an instructor, who might be demonstrating (and hamming up at that) slow control day after day, might well wear his clutch out, but for every day riding, even all day town riding, your clutch will be fine.

    Like many things that we learn, we start off with simple building blocks, a little bit black and white, and then we hopefully progress to a more fluent way of riding. Slow control, will require a balance of throttle blipping and clutch slipping, but not all the time, every time. Whilst as a beginner you may get taught a regimented, slip clutch, back brake, rev rev rev... you should aim to take that to the next level and become more instinctive.

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    Fingers again

    I don't think there is a right or wrong way,as for comfort fingers over lever...It all comes down to how we started riding...
    it was mentioned that older bikes had drum brakes or early 1st generation discs.This is the evolution of our style of braking over the years so this habit is here to stay with me...
    My roots are off road, from the age of 7 this is second nature and use front braking in corners when riding off road.

    I have only been riding on road for little over 18 months now and when i got my GSA the first thing I did was book a bikesafe day.
    It has transformed my riding on the road and have plenty more to learn.

    Thanks for the write up giles

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