Stonker
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Why not check out the Triumph or Moto Guzzi?
Honda Crosstourer
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I have thought about changing my '02 R1150GSA for the past three years. Toured all the dealers looked at the expensive shiny metal, cringed at the trade in value & laughed at the "well it is nearly 50K miles so you should change it now"
Each time I have come back cleaned my bike and thought "why?" It's never broken down and left me stranded its all sorted for touring and I can service it myself. It's staying put right next to the RSVR Factory I bought for sunny days, (with lots of change left over for tours sunny days and taking the kids out).
Each time I have come back cleaned my bike and thought "why?" It's never broken down and left me stranded its all sorted for touring and I can service it myself. It's staying put right next to the RSVR Factory I bought for sunny days, (with lots of change left over for tours sunny days and taking the kids out).
deaninkl
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A lot of people have been lulled into paying for maitenance they dont get (machanics know what is needed, but BMW set standard rates for servicing so they change you for work not done) and work that may simply not be needed.
A GS engine has had 80 years of german development, basically they are simple and very easy to maintain. Change the oil every 10,000km and not much is going to go wrong with them.
My gs now has close to 70,000 km on the clock, the week part is the battery, 3 in 5 years, I've canged the final drive ali once, a 30 minute job, set the valves twice, in the time it takes to drain the oil properly. Checking back pads, etc is visual and easy as is replacing them, just down laod the "how to" bits off of here or ADVrider, forget the manuals like hynes etc. crap.
I watch and waited (3 hours) BMW service mecahnic servising my bike while under warranty, a single guy actually spent less that 28 minutes actually doing stuff with tools directly on my bike, he had 3 other bikes on lifts on the go also, I got charged a full 3 hours for my service. never again.
I'm no mechanic, although I am an engineer, but its basic following of instructions, do it twice and its in your head.
My point being that a BMW flat twin can be a very cheap bike to own.
And I have a full record of my GS cost to prove it.
A GS engine has had 80 years of german development, basically they are simple and very easy to maintain. Change the oil every 10,000km and not much is going to go wrong with them.
My gs now has close to 70,000 km on the clock, the week part is the battery, 3 in 5 years, I've canged the final drive ali once, a 30 minute job, set the valves twice, in the time it takes to drain the oil properly. Checking back pads, etc is visual and easy as is replacing them, just down laod the "how to" bits off of here or ADVrider, forget the manuals like hynes etc. crap.
I watch and waited (3 hours) BMW service mecahnic servising my bike while under warranty, a single guy actually spent less that 28 minutes actually doing stuff with tools directly on my bike, he had 3 other bikes on lifts on the go also, I got charged a full 3 hours for my service. never again.
I'm no mechanic, although I am an engineer, but its basic following of instructions, do it twice and its in your head.
My point being that a BMW flat twin can be a very cheap bike to own.
And I have a full record of my GS cost to prove it.
I know that, but I think you will find they were chain driven, I am talking about shaft drives and earlier mentioned single sided shaft drives so why don't some of you fucking pricks read first and shoot later.
I stand by my comment that you talk a lot of shite, mainly based without foundation
BMW have been producing single swingarm shaft bike for over 30 years without major failures, in comparison to units sold
Maybe you should follow your own advice and spare us from your unsubstantiated bollocks.
i was actually coming to the conclusion that your posts were starting to contain a bit less less crap in them.
looks like i was wrong on that.
Agothaclypse
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Ive found it, my ideal bike.
Well to continue this thread, I have now discounted the Crosstourer & the other possibilities & I happened upon this beauty.
Made in the Nederlands the EVA Track T-800 DCI
Deisel engine, mega economy.
Hand built by enthusiasts.
Looks the Dogs, Kinda Star Wars.
Web linky
http://www.dieselmotorfiets.nl/informatie/
I love it & will have one.
Piccy's below
Well to continue this thread, I have now discounted the Crosstourer & the other possibilities & I happened upon this beauty.
Made in the Nederlands the EVA Track T-800 DCI
Deisel engine, mega economy.
Hand built by enthusiasts.
Looks the Dogs, Kinda Star Wars.
Web linky
http://www.dieselmotorfiets.nl/informatie/
I love it & will have one.
Piccy's below
mark2jag
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We all know that BMW's arent perfect, but I wonder what percentage of the bikes sold actually break down or need to have bits replaced. If you were using the forums as a reference point,you would think that absolutely every bike sold has broke or had stuff replaced/looked at. Wonder what % age of bikes actually go wrong
Does anyone know???
There have been several threads about the diesel Track over the last few years. I love the look of the thing, but would be wary of shelling out on a bike from such a small manufacturer.
Agothaclypse
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Dont get me wrong. I like BMW. And I believe them to be uber reliable, hence my comment that I will probable keep it. And I agree, that if you base your choice upon forum info you would never venture out on it.
That said, I do believe that BMW quality is not as good as it once was. However my 2001 has been pretty-much faultless. Only probs I have had was battery failed (the original, which was some 7 years old) which was cured by fitting an AGM type.
& a rotting of the Brembo front caliper, causing seal to bulge & caliper to stick.
Although Ive not owned it from new, I believe its still on the original clutch & final drive bearing @ 70,000 miles.
Regards
Spyder
A BMW fan & of most things German
Agothaclypse
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I know, I know. But Ive allways been a bit of a maverick. I remember-many moons ago- owning a full power, grey import V-Max, when there were very few of them in the country, even the emasculated official ones. Boy I loved that missile. I wont bore you with the epic saga of all the things that went wrong & how I overcame them, except for. Once, coming back from Flappit rally I noticed rear end felt a bit wierd. Put it down to tyre needing some air. carried on for 15 miles or so home. up on centrestand checked rear wheel. About an Inch, yes an inch of play, the bearing had failed utterly, but it still got me home.
The point being, although a RPITA at the time, I learnt a good deal through diagnosis & repair/remedy & would not change that for the world. And this was in the days B4 you could look up this kind o thing on T'nternet
Regards
Spyder
Continuing the trend for poor arithmetic in this thread - your V4 seems to have acquired an extra 8 valves from somewhere.
Exactly what I was thihking!
illustratedman
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Just out of interest has your GS ever broken down?
Nothing that required recovery, a few things have gone wrong (and if it was not for my AUB warranty it would have been over £1,000 of work on a bike that had not covered 15k)
But IMO it seems highly likely if I keep a GS for any length of time / much past 20k you are highly likely to need an FD, and I already carry an FPC around as it is also highly likely to fail at any time.
Don't want another BMW reliability firefight, but personally I (very regretably as I love the bike) have little faith in BMW reliability & support and a lot more faith in Honda / Yamaha.
What went wrong that cost £1,000?
russ_fae_fyvie
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Although I still have my F8GS, I actually also took delivery of a new Crosstourer last week and I am mightily impressed so far !
I was looking for a bike to haul us down to Italy next year and as much as I love the 8GS, doing long motorway miles isn't its forte.
Originally road tested a K13s and K13R and had almost put a deposit down on the S but I got totally screwed about by the local BMW dealer in Dundee so the following day I test rode the Honda. I was actually blown away by the torque and flickability of the Crosstourer, so much so I put a deposit down on a black one when we got back from the test !
Since picking it up and finding more about it, I really am impressed by the ride and the build quality.
I will still use the GS for commuting and short runs to the West Coast but for longer runs the CT will be the beast to use.
I didn't look at the Triumph because I have had previous experience of owning one and wasn't impressed. I also think the Triumphs look unfinished.
I wouldn't touch a Boxer engine with a bargepole (sorry!) having hired one for 3 weeks in New Zealand a couple of years ago so until the CT came out there wasn't much choice.
There is now !!
I was looking for a bike to haul us down to Italy next year and as much as I love the 8GS, doing long motorway miles isn't its forte.
Originally road tested a K13s and K13R and had almost put a deposit down on the S but I got totally screwed about by the local BMW dealer in Dundee so the following day I test rode the Honda. I was actually blown away by the torque and flickability of the Crosstourer, so much so I put a deposit down on a black one when we got back from the test !
Since picking it up and finding more about it, I really am impressed by the ride and the build quality.
I will still use the GS for commuting and short runs to the West Coast but for longer runs the CT will be the beast to use.
I didn't look at the Triumph because I have had previous experience of owning one and wasn't impressed. I also think the Triumphs look unfinished.
I wouldn't touch a Boxer engine with a bargepole (sorry!) having hired one for 3 weeks in New Zealand a couple of years ago so until the CT came out there wasn't much choice.
There is now !!
Davy F
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Although I still have my F8GS, I actually also took delivery of a new Crosstourer last week and I am mightily impressed so far !
Health to ride, Sir.
After my demo spin on the CT, it's at the top of my ' next bike' list.
WEE BOAB
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Nice bike, I fancy a go on one of them.......
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