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    Quote Originally Posted by moonhead911 View Post
    i just been out with andy firth for an assessment relay enjoyed it. and the amount of info he gave me on my riding style was grate. ill be joining next satday might see you there
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    Yes well done Fran.......... brilliant achievement
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnet View Post

    No embarrassment Micky, don't worry. But you can buy me a drink anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilko View Post
    Yes well done Fran.......... brilliant achievement
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    Well you don't expect Fran to be rushing to the bar to get a drink in, now d'ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky View Post

    Well you don't expect Fran to be rushing to the bar to get a drink in, now d'ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnet View Post
    Oi! I thought you were being nice to me
    I was, but I can only do it for so long

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    id love to do the iam course but have a problem my pillion passenger would love to come as well always a second pair of eyes for me seeing as 90% of the time we ride together cant she come on the test runs but not the test?

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    I suggest that you have a word with your local IAM group. I posed your question on our local IAM forum and this reply came back.

    In theory no reason why not, but I would expect that the second person will be a distraction when you are trying to assist the associate to get the necessary skills.

    You could compromise by including runs with the pillion towards the end of the programme, once the associate is demonstrating adequate competence when solo.
    Perhaps the pillion also needs instruction on how to behave on a motorbike (movement, positioning, weight transferrence etc), but is not taking it from the rider.

    The manuals cover the additional skills necessary when carrying a pillion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddtwelve View Post
    id love to do the iam course but have a problem my pillion passenger would love to come as well always a second pair of eyes for me seeing as 90% of the time we ride together cant she come on the test runs but not the test?
    Man up and leave her at home, have a morning on the bike without her, you might enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddtwelve View Post
    id love to do the iam course but have a problem my pillion passenger would love to come as well always a second pair of eyes for me seeing as 90% of the time we ride together cant she come on the test runs but not the test?
    IAM doesn't allow training with a pillion on board. Insurance reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harry the cat View Post
    IAM doesn't allow training with a pillion on board. Insurance reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by harry the cat View Post
    IAM doesn't allow training with a pillion on board. Insurance reasons.
    not so,the IAM does not insure anyone on an observed ride you are dependent on your own insurence,in fact a verbal disclaimer is used before every ride with an asscociate at my group

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    It could be argued that the pillion should travel on the observers bike so that the observer is able to directly assess just how good a pillion rider they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by autogs View Post
    not so,the IAM does not insure anyone on an observed ride you are dependent on your own insurence,in fact a verbal disclaimer is used before every ride with an asscociate at my group
    Right to an extent. This is what the IAM says about it:

    'From IAM Insurance FAQ:
    Is it in order for an associate to take a pillion passenger on an observed run?

    A. From a legal point of view it is the rider’s responsibility to make sure that they are insured to carry pillions. Many insurance companies automatically assume you will not carry a pillion and you need to advise them if you intend to do so. this will not be shown on the certificate of insurance but on the schedule.
    In relation to the Associate actually undertaking an observed run whilst carrying a pillion, it is not one IAM recommend, as the machine will handle differently and it may be difficult for the Observer to see what the Associate is actually doing. The test would not be conducted by the Examiner with a pillion unless medical conditions required it. In the past it is known that a deaf rider had a pillion who was commed up to the observer to receive the route and tapped the rider on the shoulder with turning instructions
    It really is a decision for the committee to make as it the riders responsibility to look after the pillion, and the Group Observer would still be covered. '

    The issue has arisen before with our group and the decision has been no. Once qualified members can bring pillions on ride outs and to social events.

    Other groups obviously treat the matter differently. Personally I wouldn't want the distraction of a third party in the process and I struggle with how the observer gets a full picture of what the associate is doing. The associates movements (body, head, shoulder checks) can tell you a lot about he or she rides.

    Is a verbal disclaimer a 'get out of jail' card if there's a prang and it turns out the pillion isn't covered? I'm not sure.

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    The disclaimer is read out to every associate before every ride, that's standard IAM practice, nothing to do with having a pillion. I for one as a N.0. would not take an associate who has a pillion, out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delboy777 View Post
    The disclaimer is read out to every associate before every ride, that's standard IAM practice, nothing to do with having a pillion. I for one as a N.0. would not take an associate who has a pillion, out.
    There's a written disclaimer these days issued to new associates. No need to bore them to death by telling them every time. I'm with you on your second point tho'.

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