Drowned Sertao - pay £5,500 for new engine??

arthurch

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I have a G650GS Sertao which recently suffered catastrophic water damage. I would greatly appreciate any advice on what I should do next. Here’s the situation: while green laning near Rhayader a couple of weeks ago, my bike fell on it’s right-hand side while attempting to ford a stream. The engine was still running when it went into the water and the right hand side was fully submerged. I hit the off-switch after probably 3 or 4 seconds (cleverly hitting the ABS button a couple of times first) by which point the engine was all but dead anyway. After a considerable team effort to recover the bike to a loggers’ trail we did manage to tow-start it and briefly got the engine going again, it sounded alright but it was streaming custard-coloured gunk from the top of the cylinder so cut the engine and left it. After much further buffoonery and expense, my Sertao is now in the care of a BMW franchise in London.

The service manager contacted me yesterday to say that water had got into every part of the engine and that they’d drained over 4L from it. I was advised that the engine could be stripped and rebuilt but that such extensive ingress of dirty water meant that there was no guarantee of the engine being the same again. Their advice was to replace the entire engine at an estimated cost of £5,500 for parts, labour and VAT.

This is a horrifying amount of money and I doubt that just gritting my teeth and paying up is the best thing to do. Some of the other things I am considering are:

1. Spend a couple of hundred quid cash to get a good local MX mechanic to strip the engine down himself and make a more informed assessment of how severe the damage is. The guys at the BMW garage have only had a very quick look. To properly strip it down would be a day’s work, there wouldn’t be much change from a grand if I got a BMW franchise to do it, but said MX mechanic (I have one in mind) would take cash and be far, far cheaper. Depending on what the outcome of this is, I can decide to either:

2. Get the same mechanic to sort out the engine by:
a. Rebuilding the existing unit himself and ordering what few new parts I expect are actually needed (connector rods, valves) direct from BMW. The BMW franchise told me “it’ll never be the same again” if I do this, but I am sceptical and suspect that they are trying to steer me towards a costlier (for me) and easier (for them) new engine replacement.
b. Sourcing a used replacement engine from a crash-related write off (how and where can I find one?) and installing that one into the bike.

3. Writing off the bike and keeping it to cannibalize spare parts off. Looking on eBay, I see that I can buy an identical Sertao (2012, 2500 miles) for £4,000. It would be a day’s work for me to transfer my aftermarket parts (crash bars, strike plate etc.) and a bit of DVLA paperwork but nothing more than that.

I live in London and have family in Suffolk where I often visit. Any suggestions, contacts or ideas would be very gladly received – thanks for looking and for your help.
 
£5.5k .....OUCH!!!!

I think you have answered your own question if you can get another for £4k.

I would put my trust in a good proven mechanic and have them rebuild the motor, I had a similar event about 6 years ago on a VOR 530 which is a bit more exotic than the Sertao, but I dropped the motor out and it went to a VOR specialist in Wigan and the whole engine rebuild was £550 including parts. If you are in London, then perhaps Mr Steptoe of this parish who is essentially "Yoda" when it comes to BMW mechanics may be a wise port of call.
 
You don't say what "catastrophic water damage" has been done?? Holed the piston or bent the crank?? Get the bike back from the dealers and flush the engine through a few times with clean cheap oil and fresh filters - :nenau
 
If you'd have drained the water from the exhaust and airbox, removed the plug etc at the logging trail - fairly normal offroad procedure

Then got it going and when you got back to the digs, flushed the oil several times - with new from a Welsh garage

Then you would have been fine, but you left it and have now a wrecked bike

Did any of your 'mates' not know how to get water from a drowned engine?:blast
 
If you'd have drained the water from the exhaust and airbox, removed the plug etc at the logging trail - fairly normal offroad procedure

Then got it going and when you got back to the digs, flushed the oil several times - with new from a Welsh garage

Then you would have been fine, but you left it and have now a wrecked bike

Did any of your 'mates' not know how to get water from a drowned engine?:blast

Give him a kick while he's down why don't you..............
 
Hold on the engine ran after beeing drownd so it can't be totalled there has to be a fairly straight forward way of fixing it. I would start by taking it off the dealer. I'd get it going if possible and take it from there. JJH
 
After a considerable team effort to recover the bike to a loggers’ trail we did manage to tow-start it and briefly got the engine going again

Bad.

Anyway:
did they actually open the engine? Did they check for actual damage or they just measured how much water was with the oil?

I had a similar issue with my GSA back in January.
I've been presented with a £6500 quote by a dealer who decided that the engine was to be replaced just by looking at the amount of water mixed with the oil.
They also suggested to maybe scrap it.

Got the bike away from the dealer after that response, sent it elsewhere.

I think I've done 4 or 5k miles since January now...
 
Hold on the engine ran after beeing drownd so it can't be totalled there has to be a fairly straight forward way of fixing it. I would start by taking it off the dealer. I'd get it going if possible and take it from there. JJH

Agreed.

I've heard that line from a dealer before, I think it's their default answer regardless of whether there's actually any damage or not.

Get it back from the dealer ASAP and investigate yourself (if you're that way inclined), if not find a mechanic you trust and get them to take a look.
 
If it's as bad as you say, you have absolutely nothing to lose by taking the engine out, stripping it down, seeing what's broken and then deciding whether to replace, repair or scrap it.

Even if you decide to get the dealer to put in a new engine, you'll be saving on labour as you've already done half the work by taking the old one out!
 
I'll give you a hundred quid for it......and it would be back on the road next week.
 
Some people need it and learn from it.

'Mates' included.


Some simply deserve it. :D

Exactly

If you don't know what to do - don't go trail riding as a bike drowning s a very common occurrence, maybe every outing
 
I understand BMW has legal obligations and they try to protect themselves before working on bikes that had extensive damages, so they can be "cautious".
But in my case it turned out to be pure piss-taking.

Hope it's gonna be the same for arthurch.
If he dropped it into the water at low rpm it might have just stalled. The risk of damage is from when he tried to restart it without draining the water.
 
Remove sump plug to drain any water / oil
Remove spark plug
Remove oil filter

this is to drain any crap from the engine.

Replace filter and sump plug.

put small amount of oil in cylinder
If you can get flushing oil then put in engine ( if not use ordinary oil and mix 50:50 with paraffin).

Turn over engine (WITH SPARK PLUG REMOVED) for about 2 mins.

Observe colour of oil that should come out the plug hole.

Drain oil from engine ( it may be a milky colour as it mixes with the water).

Repeat until clear oil colour.

Put in proper oil, new filter, clean or replace plug and see how it goes.

Any abnormal noises stop engine as conrod may be bent.

Hopefully all ok
 
Remove sump plug to drain any water / oil
Remove spark plug
Remove oil filter

this is to drain any crap from the engine.

Replace filter and sump plug.

put small amount of oil in cylinder
If you can get flushing oil then put in engine ( if not use ordinary oil and mix 50:50 with paraffin).

Turn over engine (WITH SPARK PLUG REMOVED) for about 2 mins.

Observe colour of oil that should come out the plug hole.

Drain oil from engine ( it may be a milky colour as it mixes with the water).

Repeat until clear oil colour.

Put in proper oil, new filter, clean or replace plug and see how it goes.

Any abnormal noises stop engine as conrod may be bent.

Hopefully all ok

I'm hoping the OP is going to tell us that he drained the emulsified residue of oil/river water from his engine 'at the first possible opportunity'....yes?
 
Remove sump plug to drain any water / oil
Remove spark plug
Remove oil filter

this is to drain any crap from the engine.

Replace filter and sump plug.

put small amount of oil in cylinder
If you can get flushing oil then put in engine ( if not use ordinary oil and mix 50:50 with paraffin).

Turn over engine (WITH SPARK PLUG REMOVED) for about 2 mins.

Observe colour of oil that should come out the plug hole.

Drain oil from engine ( it may be a milky colour as it mixes with the water).

Repeat until clear oil colour.

Put in proper oil, new filter, clean or replace plug and see how it goes.

Any abnormal noises stop engine as conrod may be bent.

Hopefully all ok

Bit late for that now, see post 5:D

As Timpo says, he should have done it Wales:blast
 
Bit late for that now, see post 5:D

As Timpo says, he should have done it Wales:blast

Totally agree but he is a numpty

So spelling it out step by step ' cos you missed about 10 steps out of the procedure.

You know what to do - I know what to do
 


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