Antique guns advice please

stuart kerr

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Sadly, my wifes' elderley uncle is in the process of moving to a residential home. Uncle Bob has asked my wife to act on his behalf and clear the house, taking care of his estate etc.

These guns have been Bobs for many many years.
As we have no idea what to do with them, I wondered if anyone could tell us anything about them, does he have any value in them? Are they worthless?

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Many thanks
Stuart




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I'd contact a licensed gun dealer for advice....

here's a link

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...8rHoP7PguDkVWtoyH03uqw&bvm=bv.123664746,d.ZGg

If you contact your local firearms licensing officer ( police) he or she could also advise as to the legality..... Looks like at least one rifle has a magazine... that will definitely be a S1 Firearm.

Stuff like you have is surrendered regularly in Leicestershire... in fact next Wednesday my job for the day is chopping up 430 shotguns, rifles and pistols :eek:
 
Just a note of caution; I'd lodge them at a gun club or firearms dealer with secure storage before contacting the local firearms officer, reason being that if you haven't got both secure storage (home office approved) and a s1 firearms certificate you'll loose the lot and it'll be much harder to recover them.

I think you're going to loose the Enfield and lever cocker anyway, the others you might get to keep as antique with obsolete ammo.
 
Notwithstanding any of the advice you have been given so far, and the fact that I know little about guns and their legality, I'll offer this ......

Lodge them at a gun club with full written receipts and photographic evidence (as previously stated) and those guns that may be "illegal" may be able to be "neutralised" by having firing pins/mechanisms disabled, allowing you to keep them (your local gun club will be able to advise).
You may be able to sell them via an official auction house to the Americas where said firearms are legal.

Just a thought to throw into the mix.
 
My dad got rid of some stuff via an auction house. Mainly swords and bayonets. They gave him a rough value and he was quite happy with what he got when they sold.
 
Thanks for all your advice, Ive contacted the licensed gun dealer, thanks to Bryn, and am taking advice on what to do next.


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These folk aren't too far from you.

Most of those won't sell through an ordinary gun shop.

Can't see if/how they've been deactivated. The bolt action rifle was originally a Lee-Enfield service rifle, probably originally .303, which is NOT an obsolete calibre....some have been bored out to .410 smooth bores. If it is original you will need a certificate. There is a market for them if the barrels in decent nick.

The underlever rifle also probably needs a certificate if it original.

The rest look fairly specialist, may or may not be worth something; only a dealer can tell you..

Get them to a specialist dealer ASAP, and then tell the feds. If you tell the police first they'll have little option but to seize the lot and then you've got to get them back for disposal. Police Firearms Enquiry Officers could easily know less about guns than your goldfish.

But you need to do it Monday!

PS....Don't tell anybody else!
 
Uncle-Fester said:
Notwithstanding any of the advice you have been given so far, and the fact that I know little about guns and their legality, I'll offer this ......

Lodge them at a gun club with full written receipts and photographic evidence (as previously stated) and those guns that may be "illegal" may be able to be "neutralised" by having firing pins/mechanisms disabled, allowing you to keep them (your local gun club will be able to advise).
You may be able to sell them via an official auction house to the Americas where said firearms are legal.

Just a thought to throw into the mix.
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Sorry but most of this is wrong.

A 'gun club' cannot help at all. They need to go to an RFD or an Auction House able to enjoy exemption. Certainly keep a good record of them.

De-activation is a specialist operation and you will need to have written proof.
 
gerarddwatts said:
Sorry but most of this is wrong.

A 'gun club' cannot help at all. They need to go to an RFD or an Auction House able to enjoy exemption. Certainly keep a good record of them.

De-activation is a specialist operation and you will need to have written proof.
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I stand corrected, the "gun club" avenue was not my sugestion, but seemed a resonable place to at least get advice, anyhoo, hopefully the OP has the information that will give him the best result and see the guns placed in the hands of responsible people.

Or he could sell them for cash on the black market and pocket the cash :green gri
 
gerarddwatts said:
Sorry but most of this is wrong.

A 'gun club' cannot help at all. They need to go to an RFD or an Auction House able to enjoy exemption. Certainly keep a good record of them.

De-activation is a specialist operation and you will need to have written proof.
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I stand corrected, the "gun club" avenue was not my sugestion, but seemed a resonable place to at least get advice, anyhoo, hopefully the OP has the information that will give him the best result and see the guns placed in the hands of responsible people.

Or he could sell them for cash on the black market and pocket the cash :green gri

I'll give you £100 for the Winchester if its in working order :cool:
 
It all depends on the availability of ammunition for the firearms and whether or not they have been deactivated...if ammunition is not readily available then they can be kept & traded.

If ammunition is available they need to be held on a firearms certificate, either section 1 (rifles) or section 5, maybe section 7? ( pistols of historic interest) I think the pistols can not be kept at home.

If ammunition is obsolete then they can be kept - I have a Liege proofed pin fire pistol which is classed as antique and whilst it is locked away to save it being stolen I could legitiamately leave it lying around.....perfectly legal to own.

If you know anyone in BASC get them to phone their firearms advisor who will provide very professional advice. I've used them in the past and they were superb.

Do any of the firearms have deactivation certificates? If so I may be interested in them.

Good luck.
PM me for my phone number if you'd like to chat, I've worked in the retail firearms trade in the past.
Good luck
 
These guns would be worth quite a lot in the USA if you could get them there.

I'd love to own the lee enfield 303 looks like a 'jungle spec' one. (used to have an 1898 long barrel 303 from the Boer war....what a tool.):bow
 
Dad got rid of his collection a few years ago, flintlocks and swards. He had had them years and had no idea if he should have had a licence or anything. He just took them to a local gun dealer and sold the lot.
 
Dicktheleg has got it about right. The general rule to be applied when considering whether a firearm is to be classed as antique is, if ammunition suitable for use with it is still commercially available. If not it could be classed as antique and held 'off ticket' . Most of these appear to me to be within that class, with the exception of the Lee Enfield and the Winchester. While the Winchester may be old enough it is a weapon with such a following that ammunition is likely to be available. To be lawfully held they would need to be covered by a section 1 fac, or be deactivated in accordance with Home Office guidance and have a deactivation certificate. If they have already been deactivated but you can't find the certificate, they will have to be submitted for certification again.

Either way they all need to be lodged with a registered firearms dealer who can lawfully hold them on your behalf in the meantime. I am hoping that the Lee Enfield and the Winchester are complete. They are extremely popular and will command decent prices (I know one collector who has an entire gun room of the different variations of the Lee Enfield). The Police firearms licensing may issue you with a temporary permit, but security conditions, I've a gun cabinet, would have to be satisfied. Most dealers know more about this than the Police so should be your first port of call.
 
The Local Police is the first phone call as they will contact the people who need to know and deceide what you can and cannot keep as if they are still on a ticket you could well be severely bollocked for having them and not telling them and they will tell you what you have to do with them from the legal side. There's could well be upwards of £1000 worth in the picture, the Lee looks like a standard No4 which I've seen deactivated ones go for £350 recently in auctions. (deactivated go for more as anyone can have them, I always liked a No4 on a damp day over some modern kit as for some reason they just seemed to work better in the damp)

J
 
AA388 said:
The Local Police is the first phone call as they will contact the people who need to know and deceide what you can and cannot keep as if they are still on a ticket you could well be severely bollocked for having them and not telling them and they will tell you what you have to do with them from the legal side. There's could well be upwards of £1000 worth in the picture, the Lee looks like a standard No4 which I've seen deactivated ones go for £350 recently in auctions. (deactivated go for more as anyone can have them, I always liked a No4 on a damp day over some modern kit as for some reason they just seemed to work better in the damp)

J
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No they won't they'll come and take them away. Their default position will be destruction. Get them to an RFD.

They could ALL be imitations.....
 
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