When did the R1200GS become Euro-3 Compliant?

That's what we're up against. Bone heads. Not apathy. To be honest Steppers, apart from your input on here in various posts, I haven't seen much else on this particular story, but then I haven't bought MCN or a bike mag in a while. I've just been riding!

I've not bought MCN or any bikes magazines for many years, in fact i don't even bother reading them in the supermarket anymore.
 
I've not bought MCN or any bikes magazines for many years, in fact i don't even bother reading them in the supermarket anymore.

Thats because they don't like motorcyclists in Fortnum and Masons. :D
 
It does seems the database has been updated so those with bikes built before 2006 better check again....

I have a 2004 1200GS which "should" be EURO3 but trying to prove this is a bit frustrating. Contacted BMW directly and got the following response:

Good morning Alex

Thanks for your further email.

I’ve looked on the system and I’m afraid it doesn’t say the emission standard of your bike.

But we do have our fully trained technicians at our Approved Centres, who would be in the best position to address any technical queries – you can find your nearest Centre here.

I hope this helps, if there’s anything else I can do to help, please let me know.

Kind regards

Nathaniel

BMW Group
United Kingdom
Nathaniel Hutchinson
Customer Service Consultant
Customer Service
Summit ONE
Summit Avenue, Farnborough
Hampshire, GU14 0FB
Tel: +44 (0)370 5050 160
Email: customer.service@bmw.co.uk
Web: http://www.bmw.co.uk


I also contacted TFL to find out what details they need:
cclondon@cclondon.com
tfl.gov.uk/congestioncharge
Dear Alex Mack
Our Ref: TFL-524738-1541071352
Customer Account Number: N/A
Thank you for your enquiry received on 26 October 2018, regarding Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
There are a number of factors which need to be considered for example; Euro standard, vehicle type, fuel type and
Nitrogen Oxides (NOx and/or Particulate Matter (PM) values.
Between now and 8 April 2019, when the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) is introduced, we are gathering additional
vehicle compliance data and refreshing our database.
If you can provide us with a copy of your vehicle registration document (V5C) that contains the Nitrogen Oxides (NOx)
value and Particulate matter (PM) value (if diesel), we can confirm the compliance status of your vehicle. Please check
that the NOx and if applicable the PM value is recorded on the V5c, usually these are detailed in sections V.3 and V.5
respectively.
If these values are not recorded on the V5c you will need to provide a copy of the vehicle's Conformity Certificate which
you can obtain from the vehicle manufacturer. Alternatively you may wish to contact the vehicle manufacturer's
homologation department. They will need to provide you with a letter signed by a named individual from the
homologation department which contains the following information:
- vehicle registration mark (VRM)
- vehicle identification number (VIN)
- euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to
- Fuel Type
- Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value
and
- Particulate matter (PM) value (if diesel).
You can complete an online enquiry form and upload your proof at tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone.
If you have any questions, please visit tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone or call us on 0343 222 2222
(textphone 0207 649 9123 if you have impaired hearing).
Yours sincerely
D. Milton
Contracts & Operations Manager
Transport for London



Has anyone got hold of the details that TFL require otherwise I will persue the issue?

Thanks

Alex
 
I must be living under a rock as I just found out about the extension of the ULEZ yesterday and to utter horror both my vehicles seem to show non compliance one being a 2003 Camper van that is used every other week to take the family out of the city and also my R1100GS, I had that horrible sinking feeling that ones get if they where leaning back on a chair and it suddenly moves only for far longer as my bloody property is spitting distance within the zone (1 minute from North Circ).

Whilst I do not need either vehicle for commuting to central London it does seem absurd that this is being pushed out so far and the worry for many will be when will it go out to the M25, people living in other cities within the UK better take note as once this is in place I expect it will be implemented to other regions.

I also will not hold my breath on manufactures assisting as it will be in their interest to get as many compliant vehicles out the door as they can.

Sadly for me if the information is correct then that will mean I can no longer afford to own a vehicle post 2021 as new and nearly new prices plus taking a hit with my current transportation being scrapped or sold at a major loss will mean I have bugger all buying potential. Thanks to the sugar "tax" I also have bugger all energy to ride my push bike either.

I do have to ask how much of the air pollution issue in the outskirts is caused by schemes such as mini Holland that saw absurd levels of congestion due to it's implication and with motorcycles only making up 1% of the current "emission issue" I think with them being included in this scheme shows it for what it is,A Tax that will hit the poorest the hardest.


If anyone gets a sniff of information regarding possible Euro 3 compliance please post up, the thought of loosing my bike will be soul destroying, or ot may just be the perfect time to say feck it lets ride around the world..

Regards
 
They are consulting about doing it in Edinburgh but just looking at a diesel tax at first. First round and due to public pressure they are forcing all the old taxis and buses off the road. Seems fair to be honest but it is the thin edge of the wedge.
 
What you need for London commuting is a 1973 kawasaki H2 750 2 stroke !!! Just checked mine and its exempt from charge;))
 
Yes appears historic tax class exempt !! I'd love to blast past sadiq kahnt on the H2 leaving a 50yrd smoke screen ;)
 
As with the information a few posts up, it states that the NOx value may be printed on the V5, as mine is not and very much doubt BMW will give me information for a vehicle that was made in 1999 is there anyway for someone to have this value tested?. Could a MOT centre gives this information?.. I have zero idea if a R1100 or 1150 would pass EURO 3 emissions if tested today but I certainly think asking the question is justifiable.

I very much doubt BMW would or could supply the information that TFL want but could a DVLA mot test centre as if it is all about emissions and if you can show that said vehicles comply that has make a argument to have it made compliant on the database.

Regards
 
As with the information a few posts up, it states that the NOx value may be printed on the V5, as mine is not and very much doubt BMW will give me information for a vehicle that was made in 1999 is there anyway for someone to have this value tested?. Could a MOT centre gives this information?.. I have zero idea if a R1100 or 1150 would pass EURO 3 emissions if tested today but I certainly think asking the question is justifiable.

I very much doubt BMW would or could supply the information that TFL want but could a DVLA mot test centre as if it is all about emissions and if you can show that said vehicles comply that has make a argument to have it made compliant on the database.

Regards

My LPG powered Range Rover is well within the emission restrictions but TFL aren't interested.
They don't recognise an LPG powered vehicle.

They state that motorcycles emit only 1% of the toxic emissions, well it's less than that.
After meetings with TFL and the house of lords motoring committee (who incidentally are on the motorcyclists side), TFL admitted that 1% is the smallest increment that they work to.
So even if it's 0.25% it'll be allocated a figure of 1%.
 
Euro compliance is a lab test and not something an MOT centre can do. It involves rolling roads and specific conditions over periods of time and to be honest you could buy a truck load of new bikes for what it would cost for the test. After the VW scandle there are plenty people wondering what has legitimately passed in the first place.

It might be wrong but as above the only way you are going to get your bike accepted is with a signed document from the BMW emissions department. Going by the age of this thread, that is not looking likely to happen.
 
I am currently waiting a reply from BMW homologation department about 2004 1200GS. Should hopefully have an answer by the end of the week.
 
The LPG situation is absurd, shows the rhetoric of their actions for what it is.

I had a feeling the NOx test would be something a average Joe could not get themselves tested, I wonder why £££..

I feel like my bike has been given a bloody death sentence, I am trying to justify selling a kidney to go on one of Monkeyboy's adventure, leave the GS on a plinth at the dock in Bangkok :thumby:


Regards
 
The LPG situation is absurd, shows the rhetoric of their actions for what it is.

It's all about selling more vehicles. When Italy did the same thing over emissions, anything less than Euro 3 (or whatever it was) suddenly could not be used on the road. It's actual emissions could be well within required limits but it was older than a certain date so illegal. Government gave incentives to buy new cars so the industry sudden sold lots of cars. Did the pollution improve? We all know how that went. A pal had a Fiat Uno that ran as well as it had when brand new. The exhaust was so clean the "mot" tester had shove the gas probe into his own car's exhaust to even get a reading. But No. A perfectly good car was scrap value.

The same things is happening here over diesels and will happen again when they want non hybrids petrol cars out of the picture.

Liquid phase LPG systems are now available. They start and run on LPG but give the same power as petrol. Costs are similar because while (usually) cheaper to install, the injection kit is more costly. All emissions are reduced but they don't count so you get zero rebate on your CO2 emissions based road tax.
 
I was watching something on YT produced by Zenith Motorcycles of North London where she was explaining that TFL have stated that a kit can be "retro fitted" to some bikes to come into compliance, it is a £1000 and you have to order it from China. It would mean that if fitted then the bikes Carbon footprint has been increased Christ knows to what percentage.

I am currently trying to price up that once in a lifetime trip to give the old girl a proper send off, sadly the market for kidneys is far bigger than that for hairy backs otherwise I would be sorted....


Regards
 
I am currently waiting a reply from BMW homologation department about 2004 1200GS. Should hopefully have an answer by the end of the week.

Homologation department have confirmed the emission levels are below those required for EURO3 but now need them to provide the proof that TFL require....watch this space
 
I had a feeling the NOx test would be something a average Joe could not get themselves tested, I wonder why £££..

The EU standard emissions tests are done under lab conditions. It has the advantage that all vehicles follow the same rules so results should be comparable, but the tests are ill thought out.

NOx is probably not avoidable on older engines as the fix would involve significant engine design changes. Air cooled are especially unlikely to meet the limits required. That said, how much NOx will any large bike emit when trundling along in traffic?
 
I have the homologation papers from BMW (you have to pay for them - £120!!) and have sent them through to TFL, so hopefully have a decision shortly.
 
I feel a few beers should be coming your way for that lot, now if only my 1100 turned into a 1200 overnight I would be sorted. Maybe putting Viagra in the fuel tank would do something??..
 
I have the homologation papers from BMW (you have to pay for them - £120!!) and have sent them through to TFL, so hopefully have a decision shortly.

That's interesting news, fingers crossed it has the required effect - learnt something today that I hadn't even thought about. Friend of mine is in a band and is always playing gigs in central London. He has an 1150 so will have to pay the LEZ charge when he rides in early evening. But because by the time he finishes the gig and leaves for home after midnight he has to pay again. So that'll be £25 each time he rides in to play a gig.
 


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