Convince me to fit y piece remus can etc

More talk on Torx!

LRD, Thanks for that . As you say the Y piece is a featherweight compared to the OE.

Julien, As for your weather and cold beer. I dream on!!

David

The last post re Remus

Hi Folks,

Just a last word from me on this thread re fitting Y piece and Remus Revolution. Everything went a treat yesterday removing and fitting the new system. I could'nt believe how easy it was. It is the first aftermarket bit of kit,( apart from Givi ), that actually lines up and fits without bending stressing anything.

Even the holes for the Torx screws which attach the Y piece to the centre stand hanger were perfect.

Result Fantastic sound, ( is this supposed to be legal!), big increase on midrange, throttle response across the range and massive saving in weight. Looks the DB's too!

Many thanks to everyone of you for all the advice and tips, in particular Juliens photo attachments. I didnt have to hacksaw anything of the Remus Y piece, fitted a treat.

If anyone is going to fit one or thinking about it. Do it ! If you want any help or advice I have picked up some good ones on this journey.

Cheers y'all. David

Hi David and all,
looking at doing exactly same as you so reading this thread has answered all my questions.....nearly

1.Which Remus did you go for, the road or race, whats the difference in performance if any is it just weight.
2.Any recommended retailers for ordering the y-piece and exhaust from?

thanks

Paul.

The Remus

Paul, I went for the Titanium Remus Revolution. Its road legal and E stamped and you get a certificate to prove it! It has a small detachable baffle if you want to do track days or are prepared to run the risk on the road. With the baffle in, ie road legal, the sound is awesome, it really barks out when you give it soem but has a real wholesome quality sound at low revs which whilst loud is not offensive.

The price range start off with the alluminium can at £370 complete but looks a bit bland I think. The titanium one is the one to go for. Carbon may look good when its brand new but if like me you use it all weathers carbon can soon look shabby. The titanium looks fantastic, weighs next to nothing and does the biz.

I shopped around and ordered mine from ' Apex Liesure' at Preston. They specialise in after market tuning for bikes, track days etc. They have a great website and the phone service is excellent. At £430 they are £70 cheaper than going through a BM dealer. Any more help then let me know.

You won't regret it!!

Cheers David

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David Short said:

Result Fantastic sound, ( is this supposed to be legal)

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Er . . . no! Forewarned is forearmed. Whilst the E-code and Road Legal stamp might fool some people, neither make your can legal by that fact alone. The use of any so-called "Road Legal" cans without the cat raise the decibel levels to an illegal volume.

Whilst the stamp and plate give you a bit of piece of mind, don't be lulled into a false sense of security. Also, be informed, you've just invalidated your insurance. Don't be tempted to tell your insurance company and ask them for a new quote. There's a good chance they'll say that they won't insure you and furthermore that to continue your current policy they require proof that the can has been removed.

Don't worry, we all do it. Just don't sell your OE can and be prepared to hit it with a hammer a few times should you come off with your Remus attached and need to make a claim requiring a vehicle inspection by the insurers.

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Simon Eassom said:

Don't be tempted to tell your insurance company and ask them for a new quote. There's a good chance they'll say that they won't insure you and furthermore that to continue your current policy they require proof that the can has been removed.

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Somebody recently posted about this happening on another thread

Don't worry, we all do it. Just don't sell your OE can and be prepared to hit it with a hammer a few times should you come off with your Remus attached and need to make a claim requiring a vehicle inspection by the insurers.

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Can't agree with your laissez faire (sp?) attitude to this, Simon. In the event you're involved in a serious accident, you won't have access to the vehicle as it'll be impounded by the police for inspection. Even in a relatively minor prang (like mine), you may not be in a fit state to do what you suggest.

If you fit performance enhancing equipment to your bike and don't tell your insurers, you're riding without insurance - it's that simple. Better hope anyone involved in an accident with you isn't doing the same......


Lecture over (without a Control/Alt Delete)

MikeO

insurance

An opened bag of worms! As I understand it any modifiaction which does not enhance the performance by more than 10% will not cause insurance problems. The exhaust system may give an overall 5bhp increase which is well within the 10% on a lump kicking out 95 bhp max. Each company is different, shop around for the best rate.

Cheers David

Re: insurance

David Short said:

An opened bag of worms! As I understand it any modifiaction which does not enhance the performance by more than 10% will not cause insurance problems. The exhaust system may give an overall 5bhp increase which is well within the 10% on a lump kicking out 95 bhp max. Each company is different, shop around for the best rate.

Cheers David

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No problem, David, although if your 10% rule is correct (& I'm sure that would vary from company to company), you'd still need to tell them you'd done it to get cover, even if it was within the 10%. I've got agreement from red Star Equity (BMW) to fit a Y piece and a Techlusion Chip - no extra premium (Y piece to allow it to use leaded petrol, chip to cure surging). However, when I first approached them (last summer), to ask about a BB chip, they made it clear that anything designed to increase the performance by any amount would not be covered - not even with an additional premium. My point is that, if you modify and don't tell your insurance company, as seems to have been advocated, you're not going to be covered - period. If you're involved in an injury accident these days and held even partially blameworthy, the ensuing lawsuit, without an insurance company to pay the compensation bill, might well cost you your house.....

Insurance companies enter into a contract of 'utmost good faith' with you. That means you tell them everything you've done to alter your bike from standard (mine even know what mirrors I've got fitted...). If you've done this then they're legally bound to cover you once you've paid the agreed premium. If you've failed to tell them, however, you've failed to live up to your side of the contract, which allows them to decline to keep theirs. They're in business, after all, and their shareholders want to make a profit.....


MikeO

ps The only thing Red Star wouldn't cover on my bike, oddly, were the Ohlins (they'd only pay for OE relacements - which are more expensive than Ohlins..... ), the bike to bike radio and the Autocom. No premium increase for the other 30 modifications I listed....

More on insurance

Mike, I have no problem with what you are saying. Lets face it any of us who junk a perfectly good OE system and pay £400 + for a replacement system must want their head examining if they then want to avoid paying perhaps another £100 tops on the insurance. As for the tales about what to do after a crash to give the impression that the bike was being run on OE, well they beggar belief!

At the end of the day regarding exhaust systems, all that is required by law in the UK is;

a) The exhaust gases must go through a silencer before venting to atmosphere. and

b) that the noise levels are within legal limits.

The E stamp and homologation certificate with the Remus system qualifies this. Yes the can is louder than OE but then again OE completely strangles it so much its hardly surprising, anything would make it louder.

It is still nowhere near as loud as Termiglionis, as per Dukes or Micron systems fitted to Jap plastic fantastics.

There is absolutely nothing in legislation which means you have to have a cat fitted or that if fitted you cannot remove it.

My insurance co have no problem, stipulating that no further premium is required so long as it does not increase the power by 10%.

As for notifying them about mirror changes etc I think you may be worrying too much!!
Cheers David

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David Short said:

As for notifying them about mirror changes etc I think you may be worrying too much!!
Cheers David

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David,

don't worry, I didn't tell them about the mirrors as a special item , but wrote them a letter listing all the mods, from panniers to Y-piece, to quash any questions on the subject. This paid dividends following my prang in December. The loss adjusters told my dealer that they doubted the Zega panniers would be covered - when they checked with the insurers, however, they found that I'd declared them and had them accepted. Result, they paid up - what would've happened if I'd not declared them? (they also paid up for my non-standard mirrors )


MikeO

Better B safe than Sorry!

Mike, Good thinking. I noticed you mentioned in an earlier e mail that you were insured through BMW. Did you compare them against others? Are they a good deal? I pay £208 fully comp thru Equity Red Star via Carole Nash.

David,

they were dramatically cheaper last year, I paid £169 against a nearest quote of £260. This year, due to my prang, I've lost 2yrs NCB and have been loaded 15%, making a total of £270. Ironically, one of the newly introduced benefits this year is protected NCB.....

Having had the misfortune to make a claim, I can report that it was settled in full, with no delay. Thay paid me £125 for a jacket (the only clothing damaged in the accident) which I'd bought for £200 in Sep 02 - this was based on a valuation of £150 minus an additional £25 excess (on top of my £250 excess for damage to the bike).

There are some restrictions, however. I've listed some of them earlier, regarding performance enhancements etc, they also restrict coverage to Europe, not including the former Warsaw Pact countries, and seem unwilling to alter these, even for an additional premium. It seems that their concept is to make a simple, uniform policy as cheap as possible by not allowing any variation. They will also only cover BMW bikes, so you'll have to separately insure any second bike that isn't BMW. Overall, though, if you can live with those restrictions, the scheme is excellent value.

MikeO

BM insurance

Mike, Many thanks, I have logged on for a on line quote. I will see what it throws up for renewal later on this year.

Many thanks David

REMUS EXHAUST & Y PIECE

ANYBODY FITTED REMUS 'REVOLUTION' CAN AND 'Y' PIECE TO AN 1100? & I ASSUME THERE SHOULDNT BE ANY REAL DIFFERENCE FROM 1150 INFO LISTED

Yes I think there is a difference!

Simon, I think you will find that the 1100 exhausts exit differently to the 1150 which exit either side of the engine. The 1100 sweep round on one side before joining the silencer. depends on the model you have but earlier 1100's don't have cats fitted.

Having said that you should be able to get a system to match your bike. Its well worth it. Someone will have the exact answer but beware before you buy to make sure you get the right bit of kit. As for fitting it, it is very straight forward. Can't speak for the 1100 but it turns the 1150 into a different bike.

Good luck David

remus exhaust & 'y' piece

THANKS FOR THAT DAVE.

REGARDING INSURANCE, I HAVE BEEN SHOPPING ROUND AND HAVE FOUND THAT THE RAC BIKE INSURANCE IS CHEAPER THAN BMW OR CAROLE NASH AND IS ALSO UNDER WRITTEN BY EQUITY RED STAR & PROVIDES THE SAME COVER.