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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsey View Post

    I’m sure the KTM warranty is shite but I’ve rarely had to find out in the last 15 years .

    Off topic slightly, but the KTM warranty and my dealer couldn’t have been better. Everything sorted out every time in a timely way. Maybe it’s down to each individual dealer which colours some peoples judgement and in reality, each dealer should offer the same service. But we all know that certain dealers let the side down no matter what brand is involved.
    Why so serious ?

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    F850GS

    Quote Originally Posted by karlp View Post
    Smooth ride with no vibration up to 4500rpm ( that is the max so far).
    You’re not following the manufacturer’s running-in instructions, surely? The correct way to run-in any engine is to give it a healthy thrashing up to the rev limit. Be sure to use plenty of engine braking too as this helps the rings bed in.

    At least, that’s what I read on a website...


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    I was told by a dealer that the prototype bikes apparently suffered from no issues, these were the bikes built in Germany from selected components, issues have arisen since the production bikes with engines not built in German factories and using components many of which have been sourced locally to the country of origin of said motors .

    Shows that perhaps BMW should comprehensively test pre production models and then re test production bikes if they are using a number of major outsourced components

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    So are these Chinese or Indian 850s ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Boxerlust View Post
    The LC is probably one of the highest quality and longest lasting bikes currently on sale today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsey View Post
    So are these Chinese or Indian 850s ?
    Motors are built by the Chinese firm LONCIN and here is their Loncin 650 enduro bike using a smaller version of a BMW 'inspired' motor
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    Yours truly belongs to the group of sceptics when it comes to "made in China".

    But the times are changing. The China marked is just too lage to be ignored, and as of now, to some of the German Premium car brands the Chinese marked has surpassed the US marked as their largest.

    Also, Chinese technology is improving. Today, leading brands in Electronics have their finest products made there, China run their own spaceprogram, and Airbus 320 are (amongst other places) built in China.

    Even so, the F750/850 program did not get a good start when the engine problem came up.
    It remains to be seen if the problem was due to sloppy quality controll in China or if the problem is due to other reasons.


    But whatever happens I think we may as well get used to the idea. China is becoming such a large economy that if we don't like "made in China", that will be our problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knutk View Post
    But whatever happens I think we may as well get used to the idea. China is becoming such a large economy that if we don't like "made in China", that will be our problem.
    Yes China has great technology [on the back of cheap labour costs] but unfortunately it also has no concept of copyright so any "innovation" be it from home or "borrowed" from abroad gets watered down by many manufacturing bases, to the lowest cost v highest profit margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andi_archer View Post
    Yes China has great technology [on the back of cheap labour costs] but unfortunately it also has no concept of copyright so any "innovation" be it from home or "borrowed" from abroad gets watered down by many manufacturing bases, to the lowest cost v highest profit margin.
    That is correct. They are completely shame-less to the extent that someone may be tempted to use the word criminal.

    I once walked around in Shang Hai and noticed a BMW X1 in a color that I had never seen on a BMW before.

    When I took a closer look, the logo was not the standard blue/white, but a totally different logo, and the name was in Chines writing.

    Seemed like it was a chines carbon-copy af the X1....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil W View Post
    Motors are built by the Chinese firm LONCIN and here is their Loncin 650 enduro bike using a smaller version of a BMW 'inspired' motor
    At least their own 650 will be a deal cheaper
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyBoxer View Post
    At least their own 650 will be a deal cheaper
    Without doubt it will be cheaper it only has one piston and is based on the old Rotax 650 single engine design

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