Incipient rust on GS ADV frame....

Firefly1955 · Jul 20, 2018

I have had my 2016 GS ADV TE since new, (coming up to 6k miles) it has always been stored inside and washed and cosseted apart from on camping trips, and never even green laned or taken off road at all.
Yesterday I was washing it and noticed that the black tubular sub frame is showing signs of what looks like rust starting. It's odd looking because it's not bubbling up from beneath more like surface roughness and it's on both sides of the bike on the front most lengths of tubing.
Has anyone else had any experience of the reaction of dealers to this? .....just before I take it in tomorrow for them to look at.

stonehenge · Jul 20, 2018

I think Crotchrocket has had the same issue if I remember correctly.

iandavid · Jul 20, 2018

BMW's DONT rust!! They "Oxidise"

Goldfinger · Jul 20, 2018

iandavid said:
BMW's DONT rust!! They "Oxidise"

They definitely "Oxidise" quicker than any other bike I have owned.

AberdeenAngus · Jul 20, 2018

It’s because they don’t prep the metal properly, don’t use undercoat and only apply enough paint to see it off the showroom floor.

Firefly1955 · Jul 20, 2018

They don't 'oxidize' as swiftly as the spokes on a Tenere 660.!
Hopefully I won't get a similar response from BMW dealer as the Yamaha, that bike was a year old.
My cries of 'safety issue' were dismissed. They looked like they were phosphor bronze. :nenau

Goldfinger · Jul 20, 2018

The shame is that I love riding the bike, it does everything I want better than any bike I have owned.

Due to the "Oxidation" my part exchange offer was derisory so I might as well run the bike until it falls to bits and how long that will be is anyone's guess.

The Sales guy said my bike was part of a bad batch which is somehow my fault when it comes to trading it in.

In 3 years I had lost twice as much as I lost on my Hayabusa which I owned for 6 years and was still free from "Oxidation"

andylel · Jul 20, 2018

I had exactly this. I reported it to my dealer and the subframe was changed within three weeks.

Redmonster · Jul 20, 2018

Firefly1955 said:
I have had my 2016 GS ADV TE since new, (coming up to 6k miles) it has always been stored inside and washed and cosseted apart from on camping trips, and never even green laned or taken off road at all.
Yesterday I was washing it and noticed that the black tubular sub frame is showing signs of what looks like rust starting. It's odd looking because it's not bubbling up from beneath more like surface roughness and it's on both sides of the bike on the front most lengths of tubing.
Has anyone else had any experience of the reaction of dealers to this? .....just before I take it in tomorrow for them to look at.

I had exactly the same problem with mine from new. Before the first service I noticed paint just falling off.
Asked them to sort it at first service but didn’t want to know, 2 years of fighting it and no joy. So, I ended up stripping it my self and repainted at home.
The paint technique they use is

They use a positive charge on the part and lightly spray with no undercoat

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Redmonster · Jul 20, 2018

Redmonster said:
I had exactly the same problem with mine from new. Before the first service I noticed paint just falling off.
Asked them to sort it at first service but didn’t want to know, 2 years of fighting it and no joy. So, I ended up stripping it my self and repainted at home.
The paint technique they use is

They use a positive charge on the part and lightly spray with no undercoat

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coyotedave · Jul 20, 2018

Redmonster said:
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You could have a job for life, lol.
Nice job, prep is the key.

Cheers Dave.

Redmonster · Jul 20, 2018

coyotedave said:
You could have a job for life, lol.
Nice job, prep is the key.

Cheers Dave.

Lol thanks
When I took it to the dealer for a service, they asked who did it as there was a job in their body shop. I said they couldn’t afford me

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Firefly1955 · Jul 21, 2018

Redmonster said:
Lol thanks
When I took it to the dealer for a service, they asked who did it as there was a job in their body shop. I said they couldn’t afford me

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Nice one.... :thumb2

Now waiting for reply from dealer, having been inspected and photographed.

New Triple Black standing there..... oh no...here we go again..!!

atka · Jul 21, 2018

I have rust appearing on a jan 16 GSA frame but now out of warranty so no hope of getting BMW to fix it. Strange how its always just a bad batch rather than poor manufacturing processes

Goldfinger · Jul 21, 2018

Must have been a very big bad batch.

Firefly1955 · Jul 21, 2018

Mine is May 16 but dealer is trying them for a fix....
It's got patches on all tubes of both rear subframes aaannnnd the rear of transmission casing which I hadn't noticed.
Fingers very crossed.

devonuk · Jul 21, 2018

I had a 2015 GSA TE and my "out of warranty" claim for the frame rust and engine paint bubbling to be rectified was turned down. Bought a TB GSA recently so lets hope things have improved....

Goldfinger · Jul 22, 2018

devonuk said:
I had a 2015 GSA TE and my "out of warranty" claim for the frame rust and engine paint bubbling to be rectified was turned down. Bought a TB GSA recently so lets hope things have improved....

It sounds like we were in a similar position.

BMW refuse the claim on my 2015 GS TE saying it's to be expected, VINES then use this as a stick to beat me with.

I'm glad you were able to do a deal and hope that things have improved.

I was concerned that after paying another lump of cash to upgrade my bike I could be facing the same thing in a couple of years time.

I think it's disgraceful and I don't think that BMW car buyers would stand for it.

Bobbin-Man · Jul 22, 2018

Is a rusting centre stand cross brace a viable claim? Obviously caused by stone damage but potentially that's foreseeable on any bike that's left the showroom and ought to have a level of protection added.

SPCK111 · Jul 22, 2018

I had my center stand changed when out of warranty. Down to dealer I think.

Incipient rust on GS ADV frame....

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