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Thread: My ramblings relating to my Recent IAM experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trebor View Post
    That's exactly how it is with NWBBLL, which covers the area you are referring to, that is why they have grown into one of the biggest groups in the country.
    However, before you can ride for NWBBLL, using your own bike, you have to have an assessment ride.
    Yes, i neglected to add that a check ride is still needed. If you are in that group you may have come across the guy i spoke with, John Chantry.

    Quote Originally Posted by scotboxer View Post
    You can have different views about specific issues without being at variance over wider approach surely? In a way, that is probably the definition of advanced riding? Once a rider knows the basics of systematic riding and learns how to apply it to multiple road hazards then subjectivity is always going occur when it comes to prioritizing hazards and dealing with them?

    I take your point about grizzled old veterans Tony but last night i took out a younger rider for a freebie check ride. Competent enough and confident enough but , for example, took a perfectly safe position for a normal right hander but for the presence of a junction and an suv waiting to join the main road. Us old hands would have backed off a little and equalized the danger posed by the different hazards. Teaching that kind of thing is what advanced riding lessons are about. Once the novice masters the system, then there's room for debate.
    I do indeed take your points Peter and training of this nature i don't deny is an excellent way for new riders to gain insights into safer riding, quickly; i always advise anybody coming to me for advice on getting onto a bike to not just go for the DA then nothing more but carry on and take advanced training where ever that is. Where i do depart from this is where it's held up as the pantheon of safe riding when it isn't plus of course when i meet up with one of the types that thinks it's for everyone or you are an inferior rider, these types really do get on my tits

    By the way, the guys i was with, i'm sure, will rail at being classed as grizzled old veterans as they will consider themselves, to a man, remarkably young and good looking chaps, for their ages

    Quote Originally Posted by philbuck View Post
    There are other qualifications that are valid too, not just Rospa and IAM. Such as Police Class 1, Military motorcycle quals, and a few more that I can't remember.
    There is a valid reason that these organisations cannot just accept, what you describe as a raft of good riders, who no doubt DO have a wealth of experience, but nothing on paper to prove it, and that is that the Blood Bike Charity has a duty of care towards their riders, etc. Just letting anyone in off the street leaves them wide open should the wheel fall off.

    Not only do we have the rider checks, but we are also goverened by what could reasonably be called, "riders-hours", due to the duty of care involved.
    HTH
    ps Every group operates under NABB, but all interpret the rules in their own way
    And that's where it falls down a bit, all of it really, (certainly when applied to training) different people and groups interpreting the rules differently which, as said before leads to differing training techniques being employed throughout the system. The rules are rules and should be applied evenly throughout or it leads to confusion which in the case of training should be avoided.

    I understand the insurance thing but the piece of paper to prove it statement? Well, i'll leave that there

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    Quote Originally Posted by brut33 View Post
    I'm glad I don't suffer having this treatise in my bonce each time I swing a leg over.. Ignorance is bliss.
    Well I think your coming along a treat, ever since you completed the Ronnie Reckless advanced course and we took off your stabilisers I've admired your style. I'm very impressed at the way you nicely coloured in those pictures in 'Roadcraft' with all colours within the lines, a ROSPA gold in the making

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatal View Post
    Well I think your coming along a treat, ever since you completed the Ronnie Reckless advanced course and we took off your stabilisers I've admired your style. I'm very impressed at the way you nicely coloured in those pictures in 'Roadcraft' with all colours within the lines, a ROSPA gold in the making
    I never was a good learner. To me this stuff is like reciting the nine times table. I could never remember the words but I always knew the tune.
    'Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men". Douglas Bader

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    Quote Originally Posted by UturnTony View Post
    Yes, i neglected to add that a check ride is still needed. If you are in that group you may have come across the guy i spoke with, John Chantry.
    No, I haven't met John (I don't think), we are such a large group with over 350 riders.

    Bob

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    SERV Wessex require riders and drivers to hold an advanced qualification, Rospa, IAM, Police are all acceptable, that gets you in the door so to speak.

    The ticket needs to be < 3years old.

    You have to complete ten runs before you can apply to have a check ride to use the marked vehicles.

    There may well be excellent drivers/ riders out there without the accepted qualification, if they wish to drive/ride with us they need to provide the right qualification, if they are that good its not going to be too difficult to achieve the standard.

    I would add to that I have seen plenty of so called advanced drivers/riders who in my opinion are not good enough, mainly those who have the Skill for life qualification and have not had regular training or testing since, further I have not met one rider yet who could not improve. Anyone who thinks they are beyond improving is waiting for the inevitable.

    All my opinion, not that of any organisation.
    Edited because I cannot type

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    Hi Adam,
    yes it was Lee fisher and he did have his missus with him, I'm not sure what he was riding but he did come across as a really nice guy.
    R1200GS Triple black! Lovely
    R1200C Montauk -lovely

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