2720 Any problems so far???
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admiral
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Can't answer your question, but I have been watching that one myself (but I will not be bidding).
It started out with a Buy-it-now price of £450. It will interesting if it goes much higher.
Regards
Admiral
It started out with a Buy-it-now price of £450. It will interesting if it goes much higher.
Regards
Admiral
JohnB
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2720
I hope you won it, I love mine, it's a fantastic piece of equipment once you get used to the way it wants to do things.
I hope you won it, I love mine, it's a fantastic piece of equipment once you get used to the way it wants to do things.
Did you get it how much did it go for??
Mollers01uk said:
No didn't bid on it, it ended at £475. I figured for the extra £100 I'll probably wait a little bit longer and buy a brand new one from a reputable dealer.
Glad you fella's are happy with yours though
Beemer said:No didn't bid on it, it ended at £475. I figured for the extra £100 I'll probably wait a little bit longer and buy a brand new one from a reputable dealer.
Glad you fella's are happy with yours though
Steve, you know you really want to save up your pennies and go tor the far superior 2820
PanEuropean
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Phil Reynolds said:
Uh, careful there. Basically, a 2820 is a 27xx series GPSR that has Bluetooth capability, phone management, and a MP3 player. Sure, there are some other improvements in the hardware (it's a tad faster, and grabs satellites a tad better), it's not a 'huge generational leap' between the 27xx and the 28xx - more of a 'small ongoing evolution', plus the addition of the Bluetooth and MP3 functions.
The reason I say this is because I am sure that there are riders out there who neither want nor need the Bluetooth audio and the MP3 player, and in such a case, those folks would be far better off buying a 27xx than a 28xx.
There was a 'huge generational leap' from the StreetPilot III to the 26xx, and another 'huge generational leap' from the 26xx to the current production 27xx and 28xx series. But, for our purposes as moto riders, it's simplest to just consider the 28xx to be a 27xx with Bluetooth audio, phone management, and MP3 capabilities, plus a few hardware improvements. The user interface is identical on both the 27xx and 28xx.
Michael
mrTickle
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the 2820 sure does pick up signals well. I did some green laning on the weekend and despite being under a dense canopy of trees, the 2820 knew exactly where we were - very impressive. I don't have any experience of the the 27xx but my 2610 would definately not of kept a signal in such conditions.
PanEuropean
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mrTickle said:
I've noticed that too - the 2820 seems to be better at holding on to the satellite constellation during marginal conditions, and also faster at re-acquiring the satellite constellation after it has lost it (for example, coming out of a tunnel). Garmin hasn't made any claims of improved satellite tracking performance respecting the 2820, but clearly something inside the box is working better than it did before.
Michael
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Michael,
The bluetooth bit of the 2820... does it mean if I buy the bluetooth kit for my system 5, I can listen to MP3, the phone and directions from the device without any other bits and pieces like an autocom unit?
Thanks in advance.
T
The bluetooth bit of the 2820... does it mean if I buy the bluetooth kit for my system 5, I can listen to MP3, the phone and directions from the device without any other bits and pieces like an autocom unit?
Thanks in advance.
T
araspitfire
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I'm sure Michael will answer, but short answer is yes... but the audio quality for the Music will be perhaps less than desired...
Not to mention that an Autocom costs WAY less than a system V bluetooth setup...
Al...
Not to mention that an Autocom costs WAY less than a system V bluetooth setup...
Al...
PanEuropean
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araspitfire said:
Yes, exactly what Al said. If you have a 2820, System 5 helmet, and the WCS-1 helmet audio system, you can get the voice directions, phone, and the music all delivered to the helmet.
The quality of the voice directions and the incoming phone audio is excellent. Outgoing phone audio (what you say to people you are talking with) sounds a tiny bit odd - a bit like you are talking through a tube - but, considering that you are basically talking with a fishbowl over your head, it's really quite amazing that the outgoing audio quality is as good as it actually is. Sort of like a dog walking on its hind legs - what's remarkable is that the dog can do it at all, not that the dog doesn't do a perfect job of it.
Outgoing phone audio is certainly good enough for conveying information, speaking with people you know, stuff like that, but I really don't think I would attempt a half-hour long conversation to try and conclude a critical business deal whilst riding down the road, if you know what I mean. The problem is not with the quality of the hardware, it is with the wind noise and the echo from the fishbowl over your head. If, by example, I plug the GPSR into the wall outlet in my hotel room, put the helmet on the desk, then make a phone call via the helmet (while directing my voice at the two microphones in the helmet sitting on the desk - not actually wearing the helmet), it sounds just as good as any other Bluetooth phone headset.
The music delivered by Bluetooth will be mono - though you will hear it from the speakers on both sides - and it will have quite a limited frequency response, ending at 3,000 Hz. It's better than nothing, but closer in quality to an AM radio in a classic car than to a Walkman with ear buds.
Contrary to earlier rumors and speculation, there are NO PROBLEMS with battery life on the WCS-1 system. I rode from Budapest to Zurich yesterday on one single charge, with the helmet turned on all the time, and the GPSR in use (broadcasting voice, traffic, and speed camera messages) all the way. That's more than enough endurance for me.
The bottom line for sound quality, though, is that it is a functional system, not a high fidelity system.
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araspitfire said:
I am thinking about getting the GPS setup. The last time I asked the price was for a NAV II and Autocom and it was well over a grand. I was thinking (maybe naively) that buying a 2820 and upgrading my system 5 would be less money than getting a 2720, autocom, all the leads and the labour to put it all together on the bike.
Am I way off?
araspitfire
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I'd say not... I already had an Autocom.. and I like to listen to music when I ride... So.. the cables were already there, and I'd rather live with the cables than have lousy audio...
But having no cables to the helmet is an attractive thing...
Al...
But having no cables to the helmet is an attractive thing...
Al...
PanEuropean
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Novice said:
If you already have a System 5 helmet, then you are probably correct with your assumption that getting a SP 2820 and a BMW WCS-1 would be less expensive (and a heck of a lot simpler) than installing an integrated audio system.
I am currently running a Nav III and 2820 (I use them on alternate days) with a System V helmet and a WCS-1. The whole assembly works just great. There are only two issues you need to keep in mind - 1) Don't forget to charge up the helmet each night after a long day on the road, and; 2) Music quality to the helmet via Bluetooth is about the same as what you would get from an AM radio with one speaker.
The batteries in the WCS-1 will last longer than you will on any given single day of riding. My current record is Budapest to Zurich (about 700 miles) in one day on a single helmet charge, with the GPSR active all the way. I was exhausted when I got off the bike - the helmet audio system was still working, though.
Keep in mind that you have to be judicious about how you charge up the helmet. If you use it for one hour, don't recharge it. What you want to do is let it discharge as much as possible before you recharge it. This will avoid the 'memory effect' problems caused by short discharge / recharge cycles. Typically, I wait until I have at least 5 hours use on the helmet before recharging it. If I only have 1 hour of use on the helmet, but I want a full charge for a long day of riding, I leave the helmet turned on while it is in the house overnight, so it fully discharges, then I plug it in and recharge it.
Michael
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