2820 on the PC
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araspitfire
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2820 comes pre-loaded, and with an install disk for PC route planning..
I also own CN 8 (regular) and routes calculated on that give "different software, recalculate?" message...
I also learned today that if you load more maps, like topo or whatever... it makes another "img" file and leaves the map detail on there alone... so it's not exactly like every other Garmin GPS in that you need to select all maps for each download... (good thing too considering that every time you wanted to change what extra maps you have loaded, you'd need to wait a hour for the CN 8 data to load) I imagine that if you deleted the pre-install (after backing it up) and then loaded just the part of Europe that you were interested in, you'd be able to load lots more MP3's... ??? Anyone tried this yet?
Al...
I also own CN 8 (regular) and routes calculated on that give "different software, recalculate?" message...
I also learned today that if you load more maps, like topo or whatever... it makes another "img" file and leaves the map detail on there alone... so it's not exactly like every other Garmin GPS in that you need to select all maps for each download... (good thing too considering that every time you wanted to change what extra maps you have loaded, you'd need to wait a hour for the CN 8 data to load) I imagine that if you deleted the pre-install (after backing it up) and then loaded just the part of Europe that you were interested in, you'd be able to load lots more MP3's... ??? Anyone tried this yet?
Al...
PanEuropean
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Loafer:
I honestly don't know the answer to that question, because I have always had the same cartography loaded on my computer for use with other GPSRs that don't come pre-loaded.
I do know that the 2820, and all the other GPSRs that come with all of Europe pre-loaded, include a CD in the box entitled "Trip and Waypoint Manager'. But, I don't know how effective this is for route planning on the PC, for someone who has never, ever had maps installed on their PC before. (NB: - to those of you who have maps and MapSource installed on the PC already, installing Trip and Waypoint Manager will have no effect, because the CD will already recognize that there is a 'full install' of maps on the computer).
To get a good answer to your question, we need to hear from someone who bought a GPSR that came with preinstalled maps, and loaded Trip and Waypoint manager - never having had MapSource installed before. Anyone out there who can help???
Al:
I would not recommend dicking around with the map preload in the 'Garmin' folder in the 2820 or the Nav III. In theory - strictly in theory - what you say is correct, but, the GPSR was designed on the assumption that the full map load for the region (e.g. all of Europe) would always be present. You might get very flaky results if you delete the preload and install a partial load. Also, be aware that the 2820 / Nav III comes with CN 8 NT loaded on it, not CN 8. You need to have the NT build to support all sorts of newer features, such as TMC, postal code lookup, stuff like that. If you were to load the 'Plain Jane' CN 8 onto a 2820 or Nav III, the results would be unsatisfactory. Also, if you install a partial load of CN 8 in addition to the preload of CN 8 NT, you will also have unsatisfactory results.
2820's and Nav III's are designed to work with the NT version of CN cartography only. You may load other 'non-NT' map products - for example, City Select South Africa, or a topo map, but you should not load any non-NT City Navigator products.
Michael
I honestly don't know the answer to that question, because I have always had the same cartography loaded on my computer for use with other GPSRs that don't come pre-loaded.
I do know that the 2820, and all the other GPSRs that come with all of Europe pre-loaded, include a CD in the box entitled "Trip and Waypoint Manager'. But, I don't know how effective this is for route planning on the PC, for someone who has never, ever had maps installed on their PC before. (NB: - to those of you who have maps and MapSource installed on the PC already, installing Trip and Waypoint Manager will have no effect, because the CD will already recognize that there is a 'full install' of maps on the computer).
To get a good answer to your question, we need to hear from someone who bought a GPSR that came with preinstalled maps, and loaded Trip and Waypoint manager - never having had MapSource installed before. Anyone out there who can help???
Al:
I would not recommend dicking around with the map preload in the 'Garmin' folder in the 2820 or the Nav III. In theory - strictly in theory - what you say is correct, but, the GPSR was designed on the assumption that the full map load for the region (e.g. all of Europe) would always be present. You might get very flaky results if you delete the preload and install a partial load. Also, be aware that the 2820 / Nav III comes with CN 8 NT loaded on it, not CN 8. You need to have the NT build to support all sorts of newer features, such as TMC, postal code lookup, stuff like that. If you were to load the 'Plain Jane' CN 8 onto a 2820 or Nav III, the results would be unsatisfactory. Also, if you install a partial load of CN 8 in addition to the preload of CN 8 NT, you will also have unsatisfactory results.
2820's and Nav III's are designed to work with the NT version of CN cartography only. You may load other 'non-NT' map products - for example, City Select South Africa, or a topo map, but you should not load any non-NT City Navigator products.
Michael
Dale
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loafer said:
Got my 2820 yesterday
(ordered from the USA) and in the box is a CD entitled "city navigator NT North America v8". on this disk is a programme called Mapsource which allows you to plan routes, make waypoints, etc also lets you up and download info (tracks, maps, points) to/ from the GPS. Works fine for me.
I would guess that the UK version has the same bit of software attached.
Garmin also has a bit of software called nRoute available. Havent played with it but apparently its good for route planning.
One bit of frustration ... when installing Mapsource I could not get the USB drivers to load for the GPS - reinstalled it and then ran the "check for errors & repair" function from the disk. now it's happy
BTW: I consider myself a reasonably competant PC user, but with this thing you gotta RTFM! some fo the functions seem really counter-intuitive at first but make sense after reading the book.
Dale
PanEuropean
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Hi Dale:
Thanks for that information. It's great to hear that the 2820 ships with the full set of cartography on a CD, and the MapSource program, which is the 'full fledged' application. Trip and Waypoint Manager is, basically, 'MapSource Lite'.
nRoute is a specialty program that allows you to hook your GPSR up to your laptop (via the USB cable), then view your movements on the screen of the laptop, rather than on the screen of the GPSR. In other words, it provides a direct position feed into the the laptop. I've never used it, but I suppose it would be very useful for people doing survey work.
Concerning the 'RTFM' part - yeah, you are right. MapSource is what is called a 'GIS' (geographical information system), and any GIS is, by nature, less than intuitive. What you are doing when you use the program is running post-graduate level trigonometry, calculus, combinatorics and optimization all the time - so, we should be grateful that the thing is, in fact, as simple as it is.
The initial learning curve (first week) is steep, after that, it flattens out pretty rapidly.
Michael
Thanks for that information. It's great to hear that the 2820 ships with the full set of cartography on a CD, and the MapSource program, which is the 'full fledged' application. Trip and Waypoint Manager is, basically, 'MapSource Lite'.
nRoute is a specialty program that allows you to hook your GPSR up to your laptop (via the USB cable), then view your movements on the screen of the laptop, rather than on the screen of the GPSR. In other words, it provides a direct position feed into the the laptop. I've never used it, but I suppose it would be very useful for people doing survey work.
Concerning the 'RTFM' part - yeah, you are right. MapSource is what is called a 'GIS' (geographical information system), and any GIS is, by nature, less than intuitive. What you are doing when you use the program is running post-graduate level trigonometry, calculus, combinatorics and optimization all the time - so, we should be grateful that the thing is, in fact, as simple as it is.
The initial learning curve (first week) is steep, after that, it flattens out pretty rapidly.
Michael
Dale said:
Yes, that's right - I got mine yesterday (next day delivery from rankhour.com) and it comes with the City Navigator Europe NT+ Version 8 DVD.
Regards,
Charles
araspitfire
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funny how hitting send on something that you think makes perfect sense and covers the whole question, turns to an unclear mishmash of words the next day when you read back on it, along with the miss-understandings that it creates...
My "install disk" was meant to say CN 8 NT...
My point was that using the other 700 Mb of space for other maps does not entail reloading the 1.5 gigs of maps every time, as it would with any other "software" loaded mapping from Garmin in the past...
And I'd eventually like to find out if I can use more than the 700 Mb for my own mapping, MP3's, tourguide files, etc... It should be possible, but as you say, perhaps not...
I'm really hoping that loading the "other" basemap will be possible eventually... I'd like to be able to take this GPS back to Canada with me and buy, from Garmin, whatever North America basemap is current at that time... It should be technicaly possible from what I know about Garmin's methodology... but will the carpet baggers let us?... we'll see I guess...
Al...
My "install disk" was meant to say CN 8 NT...
My point was that using the other 700 Mb of space for other maps does not entail reloading the 1.5 gigs of maps every time, as it would with any other "software" loaded mapping from Garmin in the past...
And I'd eventually like to find out if I can use more than the 700 Mb for my own mapping, MP3's, tourguide files, etc... It should be possible, but as you say, perhaps not...
I'm really hoping that loading the "other" basemap will be possible eventually... I'd like to be able to take this GPS back to Canada with me and buy, from Garmin, whatever North America basemap is current at that time... It should be technicaly possible from what I know about Garmin's methodology... but will the carpet baggers let us?... we'll see I guess...
Al...
loafer said:
I picked up the BMW Nav III yesterday. In essence, it's the same as the 2820.
Used it for for 600 miles over the thwo days of the weekend. In short, it's a top bit of kit, way better than the old model.
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