2k review

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Well I've had the bike for 2 weeks now and just come back from Skye having put a total of just over 2000 miles on it in total and thought I'd share my thoughts on 'bird Vs GS12 so far.

Positives -

Really confidence inspiring to ride, covers non-perfect roads at average speeds greater than the 'bird without as much effort.

Quick enough if you rev it and with enough torque to really hustle on tight roads.

Comfy, did a similar trip a few months ago on the 'bird 2 up with luggage and was crippled after long days in the saddle.

Economical, averaged just under 50mpg despite being 2-up, having the BM panniers expanded and riding it too much like the 'bird at first (trying to use power not torque). Went far further than the 'bird did but with a 4 ltr smaller tank.

Negatives -

Juddery!!, really noticed the vibes on the M74 at 80/90. Seems like it was designed to sit at 70 as the vibes just appear above this rev range and also below 3000 rpm.

Side winds, on exposed roads the GS is a LOT more affected by side winds than the 'bird. Only natural given the side profile of the thing and the fact that passengers are alot more upright as well but still a bit unnerving.

Gearbox, kept jumping out of 2nd. Mill said this was down to not being positive enough from 1-2 and it does seem to have improved with a more deliberate action but still does it occaisionally.

Slow on Motorways - not really that big a deal as that was one of the reasons for getting rid of the 'bird but still a shock to have to change down at 80 to zip past a car driver who puts his foot down.:shoot:


Being overly critical by nature I've gone between seriously thinking of trying to swap it for a K1200S to realising the error of my ways and I reckon the bike is just about perfect for the way I use it. The GS lacks some of the 'in yer face' adrenaline rush of a big jap bike but it's qualities run deeper.

Now if only it didn't sound like a Pnuematic drill and try to vibrate my hands off the bars outside 3-5000 rpm it really WOULD be perfik!:P

Si
 
Well since you responded to me I'll extend you the same courtesy. Carry on like this and between us we'll have the most exclusive bike forum in the country.
Glad you're enjoying the new bike, I hope I find mine the same when I get it home. I must confess that when I rode home on the 'bird after my test ride I felt the free acceleration and thought "Mmmm!"
Truth is though, for real world biking over long distances and with police forces everywhere getting anal about speed, the GS seems the right choice.
Anyway it was so much FUN. I took a wrong turn at one point and went up a scabby, narrow, bumpy road. If I'd done that on the 'bird I'd have thought "Oh oh" but the GS seemed to be saying to me "Is this the best you can do?"
It's almost begging to be abused.
Can't wait!

TTFN
 
Stiff on in there the things not rin in yet you need at least 10,000 on the clock. As to the change down loose the std pipe & cat. The vibs do settle down with a few more miles.
 
Everything that ChrisK said. The vibes will smooth out with miles though its never going to be like an inline 4. I was quite shocked the first time I went over 4k but now I don't notice it (6k miles) - partly just got used to it but mainly because it is a lot smoother.

You mentioned juddery - it shouldn't do that, should only be vibrations above 3k. Below 3k, it takes time to happily run in the 2k to 3k range; eventually it should sit quite happily there but it will rumble (one of the things I like).

Also it shouldn't jump out of 2nd - mine never has and I change much more gently than I did on my 1150. I'd get it properly checked.

Welcome to the board.

Paul
 
Mine occasionally drops out of second gear, too. Only when changing up and on a very light throttle - such as when pootling out of the supermarket parking - and never (so far) when changing down. My previous bike (R1100RS) would also sometimes do it in the same circumstances.

In my case, I think it's down mainly to rider error. :(
 
Cheers Guys.

It's more when I'm going for it than pootling;) I mentioned the Gbox to Mill at the 600 mile inspection and they reckoned it was fine. It seems to be that it doesn't actually go properly into 2nd (feels like its in for a couple of seconds but still shows N on the clocks before jumping out) Since then I've been more methodical about change from 1-2 and it seems to have worked - it's only when I 'rush it' and try to change as quickly as on a Jap bike that it doesn't want to play. I reckon (hope) that I am still in the BM rider adjustment phase. :D I am keeping an eye on it though.

Yeah, it's only really juddery below 3k rpm (like vibrate the screen juddery). The top end vibesI can live with while accelerating - It does kind of add to the experience somehow;) but I'm hoping it smooths out enough to sit at 80-90 and not worry about Vibration White Finger!

Know just what you mean about that 'wrong turn' Dinger - on Skye I would have almost kicked the boss of the back and walked the bike out of some roads but now the GS has doubled the available tarmac (and thats before I think about taking it down a trail) :D :D

Next on the list is an exhaust that smooths out the power curve but doesn't sound (much) louder than standard - just deeper. Any ideas?
 
Not sure if any of you do your own servicing on the bike. If so, a throttlebody sync will do wonders in getting rid of the vibes. It only takes a few minutes and is very easy to accomplish.

Cheers,
 
Nice review after 2000, and one I can agree with after 3000miles and my other bike being a bird. Only thing I don't understand is the jumping out of gear, I've never had that although I've sometimes thought I have got 2nd only to find I'm in neutral but that's my fault.
After the bird this is one juddery juddery thing but it gets a bit better as you run it in, the vibes don't seem to change and it's probably best to think of it as part of the character.
It's slow, noisey and juddery after the bird but below the ton it's probably quicker on bumpy, twisty backroads and the grunt from 4000 to 7000RPM gives impressive acceleration. Certainly different to the bird that only starts to give good performance from 7000 upwards and many say the bird has no character but then after the GS that's true of most bikes.
Cheers JG
PS Great fun in wet and geasy conditions when you can leave sports bikes for dead!
 
Jumping out of gear

I've had my GS just over 2 weeks and done about 1000.
It does jump out of gear very occasionally, but between 4 and 5 for me and I am fairly sure it's technique (1150 did it as well).
Two suggestions
1. I may lower/rotate the lever down a bit 'cos I think I'm stretching the foot up too far on up changes ~ any comments on this please! (handbook says get the dealer to do this ~ why?)
2. On the 1150 clutchless changes never jumped! But have been a bit reluctant to do these on the 1200 yet tho' I did a beautiful smooth no clutch down change today, a without thinking reflex!

David
 
"I may lower/rotate the lever down a bit 'cos I think I'm stretching the foot up too far on up changes ~ any comments on this please! (handbook says get the dealer to do this ~ why?)" cos then they can charge you for the privilege & if they say anyone can do it they`re leaving themselves open to all sorts of compensayshun claims! I agree though as I`ve noticed the gear lever is too far up, I`ll just have to buy some sockets now to fit the bolts :rolleyes:

"a throttlebody sync will do wonders in getting rid of the vibes. It only takes a few minutes and is very easy to accomplish." Tell me more :thumb I`ve never done a throttle body sync but it sound like a useful skill.

300 miles so far :thumb & I`ve been down roads at speeds that would`ve broken my back on my last bike
:D :D
Bikings back to being an adventure again :D :thumb
 
Re: Jumping out of gear

david thorpe said:
It does jump out of gear very occasionally, but between 4 and 5 for me .

1. I may lower/rotate the lever down a bit 'cos I think I'm stretching the foot up too far on up changes

Mine jumps out of gear .. any between 2-5th but only if accelerating hard & then only occasionally:(
When I use Georgia's Bike I never have a problem.. gearlevers are in same position. My Bikes only done 1800 miles so I'll see how it develops.. not happy as I've had a couple of moments 'steaming' into corners and having it change down or go into false neutal :rolleyes:
 
I don't have any problems with the bike jumping out of gear but, I do find the gear lever slightly too high so I tried rotating it down one spline but, the side stand then hits the gear lever. I'm not too be bothered as it's only a fraction too high for me but, I would be interested to see if anyone else has the same problem.
 
laughingBob said:
I don't have any problems with the bike jumping out of gear but, I do find the gear lever slightly too high so I tried rotating it down one spline but, the side stand then hits the gear lever. I'm not too be bothered as it's only a fraction too high for me but, I would be interested to see if anyone else has the same problem.

Yup... me too, albeit I wouldn't call it a problem. I would like it about 5 to 10mm lower at the end, and about 5 - 10mm shorter; but I guess this is because I ride in "road"-boots, not MX-boots. I'm surprised that it isn't more adjustable from the factory, especially as the bike has got such wide clientel; touring, commuting, off-road, track, etc...

And, I've missed gears a few times; most embarrasing one at a traffic light turning right; off in first, snick to 2nd cranked over,ooops... no 2nd... almost fall over becuase of lack of drive.. :rolleyes: quickly put in 2nd to beat the cars that are just aiming to get me... :rolleyes: :eek: A bit firmer gear change next time, Sir... :P :D
 
Yes I think shorter and lower by the amounts you suggest would be better but. I think I can live with it. I wear road boots as well which is definately part of the problem. I had thought of buying a pair of MX boots but a few people have had problems with them rubbing paint off the frame.
 
I wear SIDI Vertabre boots & they rub the paint off. I think any boots will rub the paint from the frame. It`s a bit of an oversight IMO of BM not to put a heel plate there.
 


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