Adding GPX files to Basecamp?

Could you post the GPX file here as an attachment, so we can muck about with it please.

A proper link to the route as shown in your pictures would be good, too.
 
Weird thing happened today using basecamp. I imported a few routes from Best Biking Roads, fixed them up and joined them. I had originally created routes from them as they were all tracks. When doing so, I got the question "how many points do you want to create?" I selected automatic (let basecamp decide) as wasn't sure. I got loads of points in each different route. So far so good, except editing them was rather tedious. Anyhow, at the end when I had my completed route I thought it might make sense to reduce the number of shaping points. I made a track out of the complete route, then decided to re create a route from said track. When I got the " how many points do you want" I said 30 (very few for a route over 10 miles long. All good except that suddenly I found myself doubling back on my route at a point that had no loops, corners or one way streets attached. The new route had suddenly developed a "turn left, ride 300 yards, do a u turn and then rejoin route!" No Idea, so I reverted to the pints heavy route.

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Just one very wild thought.

If your bicycle GPS can build the route, can it also export it once it's built it?

If so, try re-exporting the rebuilt route back to your computer and try again.
 
My only guesses, which really are only guesses are:

1. When choosing the shaping points, the software somehow confuses their order or misinterprets the difference between a Waypoint (a point that MUST be passed through) and a shaping point.

If it confuses the order, overlapping the first point of one segment of chopped route with the last point of another, then a 'ride forward, make a U-turn, ride back, make a U-turn, ride forward' may well occur. Imagine it perhaps as two pieces of string, each a foot long. Lie them exactly end to end and you'll have one piece of uninterrupted string, two foot long for you to ride along. Overlap them by an inch and the combined length will shorten by two inches. More importantly, to ride along the combined length following the strings exactly, you would need to make two U-turns. It's probably not a perfect example as in your version the total length did not reduce, or you didn't say that it did. That may mean that my string theory (ho-ho) is cock or that the software somehow makes an allowance for the overlap, tacking an additional inch on either end.... As it still gets you from and to, two very definite start and end points, which it knows it has to include.

2. Somewhere in the conversion between whatever file type Best Biking Roads uses and BaseCamp there is a slight variation in the map / road position and the 'fixed' spot of the shaping point. If the fixed spot happens to coincide with the other carriageway of say a dual carriageway, then indeed it will create an instruction to make a U-turn in order to pass you through it.

That is all supposition. I do copy third party routes and manipulate them too. That being said, I do know that the mechanics of joining two routes together differs between Mapsource (where I got quite good at it) and BaseCamp ( where I am still learning) quite significantly, or at least appears to.

Tracing over often remains the one really reliable method; that was true in Mapsource and I think BaseCamp. It's made easier if you let the software do the gruntwork first. Here's how:

Have the copied in route or track displayed.

Ask the software to create a simple route from the same start and finish points, displayed in a different colour.

Use the elastic band / shaping tool to pull the second route into line with the first.

Check for any obvious anomalies and / or fine tune out any bits that you might like to improve. This is often best done by zooming in and out. Why check?

(I) Because roads and junctions do change. There may well now be a ring road to take you around a snarled up town that was not there when the track or route you have borrowed was first created, or maybe a new one way street has appeared.

(II) Bods do make mistakes. They depart from their intended route by design (lunch calls or there is a road closure) or accident (they get lost) and then forget to correct their deviations in the final track or route they offer up to posterity. I have done it myself. If they make an error, your tracing over or converting their route into yours will repeat the same error. They also make mistakes tracing; I do for sure.

Job done.... Though I fear it may not resolve the question properly.
 
Weird thing happened today using basecamp. I imported a few routes from Best Biking Roads, fixed them up and joined them. I had originally created routes from them as they were all tracks. When doing so, I got the question "how many points do you want to create?" I selected automatic (let basecamp decide) as wasn't sure. I got loads of points in each different route. So far so good, except editing them was rather tedious. Anyhow, at the end when I had my completed route I thought it might make sense to reduce the number of shaping points. I made a track out of the complete route, then decided to re create a route from said track. When I got the " how many points do you want" I said 30 (very few for a route over 10 miles long. All good except that suddenly I found myself doubling back on my route at a point that had no loops, corners or one way streets attached. The new route had suddenly developed a "turn left, ride 300 yards, do a u turn and then rejoin route!" No Idea, so I reverted to the pints heavy route.

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IIUC, you've created your own route from an overlay of your own track, based upon some routes obtained from BBR?
It very much sounds like you've accidentally offset the "shaping points" on side-roads (or adjacent roads to the one you plan to ride) and, as the software builds the route, it has had to make turn-offs and U-turns to reach the shaping point you established.
As Wapping says, whenever you build a route it is always best to zoom-in on each "shaping point" and make sure they are on your intended road, not some side-road, sliproad, or even off-road (if you have the Activity Profile set as such).

HTH
 
Could you post the GPX file here as an attachment, so we can muck about with it please.

A proper link to the route as shown in your pictures would be good, too.

Here's the link

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/4043536

If you look on the r/h/s you'll see an 'export' tab.

That's what I uploaded into my PC & downloaded into the cycle GPS & Basecamp.

Feel free to have a look & report back. :thumb2
You're also welcome to join us on the bike ride if Boris doesn't mind you bringing one of his bikes Oop North.:D
 
I built a route last night from GE track, initially it had 450 points, but subsequently automatically reduced to 150 for the device - so I'm puzzled where the "29" comes from.
If it's any help, you may wish to email me the GPX file and I'd be happy to have a look on my BC, for you. Just let me know.

JB

Thanx for the offer, much appreciated. I've posted the link above. It's my Nav V that's whittering about there being more than 29 Waypoints.
:nenau

As I've said earlier I'm not that fussed - it's been a good experience in getting a broddle around BC. :)
 
If you look on the r/h/s you'll see an 'export' tab.

That's what I uploaded into my PC & downloaded into the cycle GPS & Basecamp.

OK - forget the GPX file, and scroll down to the "Export to Google Earth" > this will send a KMZ file to GE and open the track in that program.
Once GE is open, right-click on the named track in the left-hand pane, and "send via email" to yourself.
Open your email client, and transfer the KMZ track file to your desktop.
Open BaseCamp, then File > Import Into > Destination Folder, and import your KMZ file into BC.
You can handle the track file in BC whichever way you wish... you can double-click the track to open the properties, then press "Create Route" button, and take it from there.

HTH
 
I had a similar issue with my imported biking track. I converted it to a route and made sure all was good. Exported on the pc to the garmin with the same error of too many waypoints etc. So I exported/ transferred that route back to a track, Used the filter option to thin out the track points considerably, then from that track, I created a route but when asked for the waypoints option, I limited it to much less points. Final route had around 298 points (seen in basecamp route properties box). This imported across to garmin device and ran well today without errors. Long winded but only way I could thin out the shaping points/tracks created.
doing the create route
Just one very wild thought.

If your bicycle GPS can build the route, can it also export it once it's built it?

If so, try re-exporting the rebuilt route back to your computer and try again.
 
Thanx for the offer, much appreciated. I've posted the link above. It's my Nav V that's whittering about there being more than 29 Waypoints.
:nenau

As I've said earlier I'm not that fussed - it's been a good experience in getting a broddle around BC. :)

I updated the European Map & latest software onto the Nav V yesterday & in the evening had a play with the Nav V again, just to see what had changed/gone/improved.
Quite by chance I found the track that I had imported for this thread & again tried to convert it into a route.
Bingo, all done in less than 15 seconds without any problems at all.

No idea what Garmin have done but it certainly did the trick.
 


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