Advanced Riding

[GS_Mad]

I went out for a check ride with their "top" guys and was so disappointed and embarrased that I never returned as I didn't want to waste my time as I don't get much time to myself as it is.



Dunnie

You don't say what you was embarrased or disappointed with? Was it your own performance or their top guys?

Cheers.

 

[Micky]

You don't say what you was embarrased or disappointed with? Was it your own performance or their top guys?

Cheers.

Good one

 

[the-other-bradders]

edge of tyres - having raced a few times at a very low club level, entering every corner too fast and on the brakes!!! I can agree that the front and rear can be fairly equal in usage, ie close to the very edge on both (raced on a control road tyre - no one gets off the edge of the rear!!) howvere, on my blade on trackdays, with slighly less stress and late braking, the rear was off and the front still had some egde to go

on my 1200 on the road, I am off the rear and close to the front - for this reason I wont be taking it on the track!!

but the assesment above sounds sense to me, entering corners with a chopped throttle rather than one which is opening, like my race bike, may put more strees on the front and push it slightly

 

[Twotter]

I'm almost too embarrassed to ask this but what is the score when it comes to speed during this sort of further training/test? Is it a case of sticking to speed limits or this thing I've read about called 'making progress'?

 

[AdamA]

I'm almost too embarrassed to ask this but what is the score when it comes to speed during this sort of further training/test? Is it a case of sticking to speed limits or this thing I've read about called 'making progress'?

Making progress simply means not dawdling or missing opportunities to go when traffic in front is slowing you down.

Some people incorrectly interpret that as riding as fast as it is safe to go in a national speed limit, regardless of the legality of it.

The official line is stick to the speed limits at all times, especially if you are on an observed ride or on a test.

The unofficial line is, you are a big boy make up your own mind. Most tend to stick to (most) posted limits and then whatever they consider to be safe in the NSL.

 

[dunnie]

Speed

Well............

you are right......speed limits need to be adhered to when doing IAM or ROSPA stuff at all times and no "off siding" at all unless serving Police Motorcyclist. Speed on "job" training is unlimited in nationals..........and the thing I found with the IAM was that the observers themselves rode like someone on a CBT, which is fine............but not when they think alot of themselves & they're riding. It would be nice if everybody could be trained to a decent level where a common standard could be found or reached.


Enjoy your training whatever you do, its all training for life.

 

[SilverFish]

I would be happy to have a ride out or chat or whatever really, just helping people to ride safely and making good progress whenever possible..........it really isnt rocket science, just confidence and ability which both come with practice etc etc,

All best regards,

Dunnie

If that's an invite I'd gladly take you up on it!

Mike

 

[dunnie]

Ride out or chat

Mike........


I would be more than happy to come out for a ride, if you let me know some dates when you fancy it and I will see what shifts I'm on, I get 1 weekend off a month but am often about during weekdays and stuff.
Not sure just how far away you are without looking at a map, I'm in east sussex.
Dunnie

 

[SilverFish]

Mike........


I would be more than happy to come out for a ride, if you let me know some dates when you fancy it and I will see what shifts I'm on, I get 1 weekend off a month but am often about during weekdays and stuff.
Not sure just how far away you are without looking at a map, I'm in east sussex.
Dunnie

I live about two hours from Eastbourne. I suggest meeting at Wessons, and then possibly taking in roads to Goodwood, or Brighton, etc.

I could be free on either this Mon or Tue (23/24); if that's too soon, I would need a couple of weeks notice to book a days leave.

Dont suppose you use a PMR radio do you?

Cheers,

Mike

 

[dunnie]

Rideout

Sorry for the late reply........

I am back at work this monday so wouldn't be about unfortunately. If you let me know any other dates, I will chack the diary,

all best regards,

dunnie

 

[dunnie]

PMR radio

Sorry Mike........


I don't have any radio's at all...........Wessons would be a good ref point to meet at, even tho its not a bike meeting place of bikers cafe now, just a tea stop/cafe with no bike orientated stuff which is a great shame, we always used to take bikesafe students there, let me know when your thinking.

 

[SilverFish]

...


let me know when your thinking.

I could book either Fri 6 or Mon 9 March off work - do these dates work for you?

Cheers,

Mike

 

[dunnie]

Sorry

Mike..........

sorry for the delay in replying...........I wont rattle on too much but things have gone slightly bent at the moment which means that my bike is currently in bits in the garage. I wouldn't have been able to do a rideout on those dates anyway due to work commitments etc etc. Unfortunately I am tucked up til the end of March so I send my apologies.........we will sought something out for April if you still fancy it?
How long have you been riding and what experience do you have.......just out of interest.

All best regards,

Dunnie.

 

[SilverFish]

Ok Dunnie - no worries.

I've been riding for about six years and have passed IAM and RoSPA at Gold. Fancy something more/different/real world...?

Cheers,

Mike

 

[cabby]

IAM vs RoSPA

Oops. Stubby little fingers are typing too fast again. Thanks for the correction of the web address. http://www.peakridertraining.com/ is correct.

Re: IAM v RoSPA. A RoSPA test is a higher level than an IAM test. Not only are you expected to "make good progess" using The System and the principles of Roadcraft but you will need to demonstrate that you are actively planning your progress at every stage of your ride. The line between restraint and progress becomes much finer. An examiner will look for your positioning and speed to be nigh on perfect at all times for a Gold level pass. The examiner will almost certainly look for safe and effective filtering. Every turn of your head for observation will be duly noted. They are looking for visual evidence that every move is considered. If you've ever watched a well-ridden police bike slip effortlessly through traffic without causing other road users to alter speed or position then that's the kind of riding they want to see. There should also be a written test, not too long, based on Roadcraft and the Highway Code, with some multiple choice questions and some which require a written answer. They may want to see a POWER check or equivalent and it will earn you kudos if you know how to do a good one and introduce it yourself. Finally, RoSPA demands a re-test every three years, even for instructors, so there's good incentive to keep your skills and knowledge sharp.

The most important thing is not the difference between the two, its that by doing either you will become a more careful rider and have a longer life expectancy. I went down the IAM route after passing my bike test and because of taking my IAM test on 4 wheels. It stops you getting into bad habits generally riding more safely, progressing more quickly and being more aware of other road users which can only be a good thing whomever you choose.

Im sure you have helped save a lot of lives so and keep it up

 

[dunnie]

Rideout

Ok Dunnie - no worries.

I've been riding for about six years and have passed IAM and RoSPA at Gold. Fancy something more/different/real world...?

Cheers,

Mike

Mike...........sorry again buddy, we will get out at some point.

At present I am being pulled from pillar to post at work with one thing and another. Your riding over the six years, has it been a bit of everything, commuting, touring or whatever? When you say "real world" I'm not sure what you mean. In theory the training that you have had is going to be along the lines of Police rider training at a standard Police riders level, without {supposedly} breaking any speed limits. Thats what IAM/ROSPA are allowed to teach/instruct on, most are ex "job" riders, but not all. I think the biggest thing is not to get hung up on any issues you may have, or in many cases, think you have, because 9 times out of ten theres nothing to worry about.
When we go for a rideit's probably best if I follow you for a bit, stop and have a brew and then I'll tell you what I think, then you can follow me and then tell me what you think. Obviously I dont ride my old 98 1100 flat out cos, a} I can't afford to fix it should she decide shes had enough, and b} because none of us want to get booked up for speeding etc etc.

I look forward to meeting up soon.

All best regards,

Dunnie

 

[macca]

Diamond test

I was wondering what you all thought about the DSA DIAmond advanced test regime?

I'm IAM passholder, looking for possible further development with Rospa, but am contemplating possible DSA instructor approval at some stage, and wonder if anyone has direct experience of the DIAmond pathway; some local schools almost ridicule "well meaning amateurs" ( no names - but I think I know which national orgs they mean...)

Any thoughts?

 

[ragls]

Hiya Mick, Rospa Written test, when did that one sneak under the radar?
Could you clarify your position as a Rospa Instructor, is that a Diploma Holder? Do you still have to retake your Instructors every three years as with the normal test?
Where would you recomend me to go from cheshire to get me some training with RoSPA, are you active within a group still or are you just commercial now? And last but not..... how long should it take me a rider of average ability to reach test standard? Cheers Ragls

 

[Peak Rider]

Ragls, to answer your questions:

When I undertook my RoSPA test a short written segment, based on Roadcraft and the Highway Code, was included. Perhaps the examiner was unsettled by the Canadian accent and simply wanted to verify if the colonial ex-pat was literate. Yes, I hold the RoSPA diploma in Advanced Riding Instruction. The three year re-test is the standard RoSPA test, not a re-test for instructor. Who would I recommend in Cheshire to get RoSPA training from? You could do worse than here: www.peakridertraining.com. (The trainer might come up with some unusual colloquialisms but at least he rides a GS.) I am not affiliated with any local riding safety group.

How long would it take to get you from average to advanced? Some people can get from A to B very quickly and others take the proverbial 'long way round'. Without seeing your riding that's pretty much an open question. It really takes an assessment ride for a trainer to understand where you are and where you need to go. However, most "average" riders would probably require a good couple of days of training to even consider looking at a RoSPA test. Advanced training works best as a process of instruction, practice, feedback and more practice over several days or weeks and is a better way to instill new skills and habits than trying to jump from A to B all at once.

 

[Comfy Old Boots]

Sounds like a lot of money to get both an iam and rospa - to get the best of both worlds

I have neither btw. interesting read this thread.