Alps in September
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Hi mate, didn't realise you were planning this trip, otherwise would have had a chat whilst enjoying the curry last month.
I've got the details of a fabulous cross country ride through France from Calais down to the Voges. There are a couple of nice roads worth looking at in the area, and then onwards to the Rhine and the Black Forest, and then on to Austria via a few other passes. If you want the details send me a pm. Best wishes Ian
I've got the details of a fabulous cross country ride through France from Calais down to the Voges. There are a couple of nice roads worth looking at in the area, and then onwards to the Rhine and the Black Forest, and then on to Austria via a few other passes. If you want the details send me a pm. Best wishes Ian
Val,
those trollies ewe sold me are great BTW
If ewe take a look at the travel section under the alps, blackforest and Dolomites bit. I posted a thread there last year about my trip, I think it is about 21 down from the top on page one
I have all the routes that I took
, on Garmin V9 software if ewe want em including all the hotels we stayed at
All the routes are 90% A/B roads and no Motorways through Austria/Switz so no Vignette or what it's fecking called
to worry about. All the big passes we could manage etc. I can email ewe the routes for ewe to look at if needs be. Personally I prefer to do get the maps out on the floor with my crayons
and plan that way
but as they say every little helps
I also have the last 4 years BMW activity brouchures ewe can LOAN as I find these a good source of route info and place to visit
Hope that helps
those trollies ewe sold me are great BTW
If ewe take a look at the travel section under the alps, blackforest and Dolomites bit. I posted a thread there last year about my trip, I think it is about 21 down from the top on page one
I have all the routes that I took, on Garmin V9 software if ewe want em including all the hotels we stayed atAll the routes are 90% A/B roads and no Motorways through Austria/Switz so no Vignette or what it's fecking called
to worry about. All the big passes we could manage etc. I can email ewe the routes for ewe to look at if needs be. Personally I prefer to do get the maps out on the floor with my crayons and plan that way but as they say every little helpsI also have the last 4 years BMW activity brouchures ewe can LOAN
as I find these a good source of route info and place to visitHope that helps
tichxx
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We were there in October, cheapest was France, around 1.20, dearest in Switzerland, 1.88, all swis around 1.80. Maybe it changes quite often if its anything like our prices
Was the 1.88 in Switzerland Swiss Francs???
I work it out to be about £0,90 a liter if it is
tichxx
Guest
Can't remember the cost of the Austrian vignette
Oh And the vignette in Austria is 4.30 Euro for 10 days on a bike
bavarian
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That's Swiss Francs, so yes, it's about 1 Euro now. Germany, Italy and France are the most expensive, Switzerland and Austria the cheapest. Then there's tax free gas in Livigno.
Phluppe
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Might as wel react here, been there several times 
First, temperatures, it might be freezing cold, even in the valley, or bloody hot, you never know what you gonna get.
Check the French, and other Alpine countrys, wetherpredictions, they're mostly spot on. Or the locals, most of them know how to read the weather better than an email.
Camping in the Alps => Always take warm gear, nothing as bad as staying awake 'cause it's to bloody cold to sleep
A warm sleepingbag (comfourtzone around 0°C), and if needed some thermals.
About the roads, some mountainpasses might be closed, some might be open. There are touristycal one's, and important liaisonroads, no need to explain which one is gonna be reopened the earliest, or stay open the longest.
In Switzerland and Austria you're gonna need a vignet to ride the motorway, then again, why ride the motorway overthere
Avoid the citycenters in Suisse, they're crowded, every 5m there's a red light, and passing through traffic in between cars is not allowed, and the Swiss don't like it when you do it anyway
They'd rather bounce you of the road than let you get thrue
Also, speedcontrols are very strict. I always ride at the maximum given speed limit in villages and so, once outside, the throttle is opened. They might check your speed aswel overthere, but I've heard they concentrate in the villages. This goes for especialy Suisse and Austria, but also a bit for France.
The Belgian ardennes are very nice, but I'd do it in my way towards the mountains, once you've been overthere, al the rest is just disapointing.
So I'd go through the Ardennes (try to ride the valleys of the Maas/Meuse, the Semois and the Lesse) and then go further towards La Roche, Durbuy, and so on to Bastogne, where you easily can get to Luxemburg, where gas is cheap.
Luxemburg city is very nice, if possible, stay there for a night in a hotel, and enjoy a walk in the old citycenter at night.
From there you can get to, and ride the most beautiful roads of the Alzace/Vosges, al in one day. (Ballon d'Alsace, Col de la Shlucht, Col du Platserwassel,...)
Then you're almost, or less than a day's ride away from the Swiss Alps, try to go over the Col de la Vue des Alps if the weather's nice, you'l see more than 75% of the Alps from there, avoid Bern, and head for the Interlaken/Meiringen region, where you have 5 (or 6 when you do the old and the new St. Gothard) of the nicest roads in Switzerland.
From there towards Austria, maybe over Liechtenstein. Stop for gas in Switzerland as it's a lot cheaper than it's surrounding countrys, even than Austria, which is the second cheapest in the Alpine region (exept the Livigno region, but getting there isn't so easy)
Anyway, once in Austria, go down to the Dolomites (mostly better weather than the Northern Alpine side) and ride through the Italian speaking part of Suisse into France, heading down to at least the region around Castellane.
Do the Gorge du Verdon, and head back north using the Route de Grands Alps.
Hmm, long text, isn't it
Anyway, enjoy, if needed, ask more questions
Grtz, Philip!
First, temperatures, it might be freezing cold, even in the valley, or bloody hot, you never know what you gonna get.
Check the French, and other Alpine countrys, wetherpredictions, they're mostly spot on. Or the locals, most of them know how to read the weather better than an email.
Camping in the Alps => Always take warm gear, nothing as bad as staying awake 'cause it's to bloody cold to sleep
A warm sleepingbag (comfourtzone around 0°C), and if needed some thermals.About the roads, some mountainpasses might be closed, some might be open. There are touristycal one's, and important liaisonroads, no need to explain which one is gonna be reopened the earliest, or stay open the longest.
In Switzerland and Austria you're gonna need a vignet to ride the motorway, then again, why ride the motorway overthere
Avoid the citycenters in Suisse, they're crowded, every 5m there's a red light, and passing through traffic in between cars is not allowed, and the Swiss don't like it when you do it anyway
They'd rather bounce you of the road than let you get thrue Also, speedcontrols are very strict. I always ride at the maximum given speed limit in villages and so, once outside, the throttle is opened. They might check your speed aswel overthere, but I've heard they concentrate in the villages. This goes for especialy Suisse and Austria, but also a bit for France.
The Belgian ardennes are very nice, but I'd do it in my way towards the mountains, once you've been overthere, al the rest is just disapointing.
So I'd go through the Ardennes (try to ride the valleys of the Maas/Meuse, the Semois and the Lesse) and then go further towards La Roche, Durbuy, and so on to Bastogne, where you easily can get to Luxemburg, where gas is cheap.
Luxemburg city is very nice, if possible, stay there for a night in a hotel, and enjoy a walk in the old citycenter at night.
From there you can get to, and ride the most beautiful roads of the Alzace/Vosges, al in one day. (Ballon d'Alsace, Col de la Shlucht, Col du Platserwassel,...)
Then you're almost, or less than a day's ride away from the Swiss Alps, try to go over the Col de la Vue des Alps if the weather's nice, you'l see more than 75% of the Alps from there, avoid Bern, and head for the Interlaken/Meiringen region, where you have 5 (or 6 when you do the old and the new St. Gothard) of the nicest roads in Switzerland.
From there towards Austria, maybe over Liechtenstein. Stop for gas in Switzerland as it's a lot cheaper than it's surrounding countrys, even than Austria, which is the second cheapest in the Alpine region (exept the Livigno region, but getting there isn't so easy)
Anyway, once in Austria, go down to the Dolomites (mostly better weather than the Northern Alpine side) and ride through the Italian speaking part of Suisse into France, heading down to at least the region around Castellane.
Do the Gorge du Verdon, and head back north using the Route de Grands Alps.
Hmm, long text, isn't it
Anyway, enjoy, if needed, ask more questions
Grtz, Philip!
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swissrob
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just for info you get the vignette at all border points its 40 CHF, if u enter switzerland at a motorway you MUST buy one and stick it on the bike at the same time!!!! if u enter on a rural road they might try force u to buy one but you dont have to.......
they are also available at all post offices and petrol stations.
as said before the speed limits are strictly imposed with very large fines for speeders - they fine per KM over the limit on a sliding scale. speed cameras are a dull grey or green or hidden in concrete boxes and are very easy to miss.....
filtering is not allowed but quite a few guys do it.... dont be surprised to see a bike sitting in the traffic along with the cars or if a car tries to block your path when filtering.
they are also available at all post offices and petrol stations.
as said before the speed limits are strictly imposed with very large fines for speeders - they fine per KM over the limit on a sliding scale. speed cameras are a dull grey or green or hidden in concrete boxes and are very easy to miss.....
filtering is not allowed but quite a few guys do it.... dont be surprised to see a bike sitting in the traffic along with the cars or if a car tries to block your path when filtering.
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Might as wel react here, been there several times
First, temperatures, it might be freezing cold, even in the valley, or bloody hot, you never know what you gonna get.
Check the French, and other Alpine countrys, wetherpredictions, they're mostly spot on. Or the locals, most of them know how to read the weather better than an email.
Camping in the Alps => Always take warm gear, nothing as bad as staying awake 'cause it's to bloody cold to sleep
About the roads, some mountainpasses might be closed, some might be open. There are touristycal one's, and important liaisonroads, no need to explain which one is gonna be reopened the earliest, or stay open the longest.
In Switzerland and Austria you're gonna need a vignet to ride the motorway, then again, why ride the motorway overthere
Avoid the citycenters in Suisse, they're crowded, every 5m there's a red light, and passing through traffic in between cars is not allowed, and the Swiss don't like it when you do it anyway
Also, speedcontrols are very strict. I always ride at the maximum given speed limit in villages and so, once outside, the throttle is opened. They might check your speed aswel overthere, but I've heard they concentrate in the villages. This goes for especialy Suisse and Austria, but also a bit for France.
The Belgian ardennes are very nice, but I'd do it in my way towards the mountains, once you've been overthere, al the rest is just disapointing.
So I'd go through the Ardennes (try to ride the valleys of the Maas/Meuse, the Semois and the Lesse) and then go further towards La Roche, Durbuy, and so on to Bastogne, where you easily can get to Luxemburg, where gas is cheap.
Luxemburg city is very nice, if possible, stay there for a night in a hotel, and enjoy a walk in the old citycenter at night.
From there you can get to, and ride the most beautiful roads of the Alzace/Vosges, al in one day. (Ballon d'Alsace, Col de la Shlucht, Col du Platserwassel,...)
Then you're almost, or less than a day's ride away from the Swiss Alps, try to go over the Col de la Vue des Alps if the weather's nice, you'l see more than 75% of the Alps from there, avoid Bern, and head for the Interlaken/Meiringen region, where you have 5 (or 6 when you do the old and the new St. Gothard) of the nicest roads in Switzerland.
From there towards Austria, maybe over Liechtenstein. Stop for gas in Switzerland as it's a lot cheaper than it's surrounding countrys, even than Austria, which is the second cheapest in the Alpine region (exept the Livigno region, but getting there isn't so easy)
Anyway, once in Austria, go down to the Dolomites (mostly better weather than the Northern Alpine side) and ride through the Italian speaking part of Suisse into France, heading down to at least the region around Castellane.
Do the Gorge du Verdon, and head back north using the Route de Grands Alps.
Hmm, long text, isn't it
Anyway, enjoy, if needed, ask more questions
Grtz, Philip!
Is that YOU, Alpineroads Torque?
Might as wel react here, been there several times
......
Hmm, long text, isn't it
BUT FULL OF GOOD ADVICE.
Nice one!
The Phantom Pieman
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TBH - September will be absolutely fine. The higher passes will be cold - but unlikely to be snow bound. It's the best time to go as tourists are few and far between
The Alps in september :-
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The Alps in september :-
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swissrob
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As Greg says, should be ok at the time of
Dont buy any fuel in Switzerland!!! (Stay near the border and drop in & out as the Swiss sure know how to charge for it!!!
no idea what ur talking about mate - fuel here is far cheaper than the surrounding countries.....
stevejazzyb
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Yup, the alps are AWESOME in the autumn, the colours are stunning, the roads are quiet and the days are sunny but not too hot [although this can never be guaranteed].
If I could work out how to add a photo I'd show you what I mean. Having come out to the alpes winter & summer for about 30 years until I moved out here permanently 3 years ago, I can honestly say that it's without doubt the most stunning season.
If anyone needs B&B for a night or two in the Morzine area just give us a call:
House: 00 33 450 74 92 77
Mobile: 00 33 680 36 03 13
www.alpineaddictsmorzine.com
[email protected]
Cheers, Stevejazzyb
If I could work out how to add a photo I'd show you what I mean. Having come out to the alpes winter & summer for about 30 years until I moved out here permanently 3 years ago, I can honestly say that it's without doubt the most stunning season.
If anyone needs B&B for a night or two in the Morzine area just give us a call:
House: 00 33 450 74 92 77
Mobile: 00 33 680 36 03 13
www.alpineaddictsmorzine.com
[email protected]
Cheers, Stevejazzyb
yes thats right, we visited both switzerland and livigno in june this year and fueled up in both, thought the price was very good compared to France especially!!
Phluppe
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Yep, it's me, was thinking of changing my nickname, but I'm probably to lazy
Grtz, Philip!
P.S: Fuel in Switzerland "looks" expensive, but it's priced in Swiss Francs, which makes it the cheapest around, exept for Livigno!
Just back from a trip over the Alps. for info, they are re-surfacing the Col du Grand St Bernard. No queues but a number of temporary lights and the surface is a mess. Shouldn't be bad enough to stop anybody, but it will slow you a bit.
swissrob
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yep i was there a few weeks ago also, we were in that section mid to late afternoon and the queue was huge but no probs on a bike, one section was loose rocks etc so take care if u come across it.
The Phantom Pieman
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The Susten, Grimsel and Nufenen passes were closed yesterday because of snow. It is really shit waether here at the moment - but that can chnage day to day !
Wednesday was 28 degrees - today is 10 degrees!!
Wednesday was 28 degrees - today is 10 degrees!!
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