Alps trip - Thanks for the advice - report as promised. Alps 2016

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In February of this year I changed my S1000RR for a Triple Black GS with all the toys. This was my first proper trip on it.

Now that I had the tools at my disposal the next step was to plan the trip. This would come courtesy of a work colleague (lets call him Nick, because that's his name). His friend Brian, and the third member of this trip, had previously used a company called Bikeshuttle. Basically you ride to Northampton, load your bike on a lorry with all your gear, get a shuttle to Luton airport where you fly out to Geneva. After a restful night (and a few beers) in a hotel your bike is then waiting for you the next morning outside the hotel having come overnight and overland through France. Thats the boring motorway miles (and unnecessary mileage on the bike) dealt with.

The planning had been maticulous and had at its core a set of routes that I had been sent by Donnie on the forum. The routes did exactly whet we wanted by taking in the best roads that the Swiss, French and Italian Alps could offer. I set the routes up in Garmin Basecamp and transferred them to the Navigator V Sat Nav. I bought paper map backups in case the new fangled technology failed and I created an in depth itinerary with maps, route information, snippets of Wikipedia information on the key passes, hotel bookings and a checklist of things that we needed to take. The fact that no-one read it was a problem. I once read that if you plan to ride as a group then make sure that everyone invested in the route. I can't stress that enough in passing on that tip.

The only deviation from the original inherited routes was a slight detour south. To be specific, Monaco. The plan was to put the bikes around the F1 circuit.

As far as prepping the bike there was little to do. It was way off its next service and had fresh tyres. From where I had come from packing was a luxury. Not only had I bought a 40L roll bag that happily say across the ample rear seat. I had luggage, ample luggage, two panniers and a top box. Luxury! I'd be packing extra underwear for this trip.

The general plan was to head from Geneva to the French village of Bramans. From there we would head south to Menton where we could easily visit Monaco. Heading back to get us on our original route we would stay at La Norma before heading off to a place just north of Martigny. We would then ride the Aosta Valley to Andermatt which would be a hub for tackling all the main Swiss passes for a couple of days before heading to Lauterbrunnen, the Swiss Yosemite before returning to Geneva once again.

The transfer to Geneva was as painless as it could have been and we arose on the next morning to find our bikes lined up in the sunshine to the rear of the hotel. It didn't take us long to load up and get on our way. The route would take us into Geneva (the hotel was actually just inside France) and then south. After tackling the city centre we rode for a good hour before I began to have suspicions that we weren't on the route. Stopping for breakfast it became apparent that the SatNav was trying to take us to the fastest route to Bramans and not follow the pre-defined trips. Looking at the maps and desperately tinkering with the navigation settings had us ready to try again but it became evident that we would have to change the days route. We had gone way too far south west and were at Annecy and way off course. The plan was to head a short way north and then east towards Thônes. Once there and happy that I was getting to grips with the SatNav I entered a new route on the fly. It did mean that we had to abandon much of the planned route but we made two discoveries. The Navigator V would fight to get off the good roads if you had 'fastest' route planning set and also the waypoints that I had told me not to alert me about had become 'shaping points' which were more advisory than actual waypoints. All was not lost though as having got back on track we stopped for lunch in La Clusaz and our first taste of a Swiss ski resort. We carried on along the route, stopping off at the spectacular Lac De Roselend with its azure blue water, and then broke off at Bourg St Maurice to take the road through Val-d'Isère and the Col de l'Iseran to approach Bramans from the opposite side than initially intended.

The accommodation at Bramans was an indulgence on my part, although the others secretly liked it too. We had opted for a bit of glamping in a wood walled, canvas roofed 'tent' on a camp site. It was all part of the experience and the location was stunning at the foot of the mountains. An experience which was the first of many was the bell towers that were an ongoing feature of our trip. While they do go silent overnight they start up again very early.

We set off very early the following morning in the sunshine having wiped the dew from the bikes. This was the long ride down to Menton on the south coast of France. Our initial route took us over Mont-Cenis to Susa in Italy where we had breakfast. The road down to Susa is a treat with well maintained roads, hairpins and sweeping curves. Easily one of the best on the trip. Leaving Susa it was all about getting our heads down on the Autostrada with the prospect of tolls. Having hit the coast we followed it around and back into France on a series of quite spectacular elevated roads.

The accommodation at Menton was a nice change from the basic lodgings at the Bramans campsite being a 3 star hotel with underground secure parking, a rooftop terrace bar and a short stroll to the beach where we enjoyed a few beers and a bite to eat. Being in France it would have been rude not to dive into a bar and watch the host country beat Germany in the Euros where secretly I was cheering on Germany on behalf of my GS. But as France won we had to endure the streets erupting at the final whistle and car horns until the early hours.

The next morning we took in a petit dejeuner on a side street before loading up once again and heading for Monaco. Monaco, what a shit hole. A cramped town of traffic and high rise buildings. We fought our way down to the harbour and took a look at the collection of ridiculously lavish yachts moored up before preparing for the main event of a couple of laps of the F1 course. We followed it best we could given the road works and the amount of traffic but despite this I'd say we took in all the best bits, the starting grid, the Mirabeau, the runner, Piscine and La Rascasse. All this with out getting caught by the gendarmerie. We got out of Monaco as soon as possible after this with another slog on the Autostrada in prospect, and with one last look at the place from Palace Vista we were gone.

We decided to let the Nav V take us the absolute quickest way to our next stop, La Norma, forsaking the excellent road that we had rode down to Susa. But as we racked up toll after toll we wondered if it was worth it. Already smarting from the constant payouts we then got hit with another €29 to take the final tunnel (T4 - see below) out of Italy. It was a fine feat of engineering through the mountain but it brought our journey to something like €150 in tolls alone!

To quote wikipedia:

The Fréjus Road Tunnel is a tunnel that connects France and Italy. It runs under Col du Fréjus in the Cottian Alps between Modane in France and Bardonecchia in Italy. It is one of the major trans-Alpine transport routes between France and Italy being used for 80% of the commercial road traffic.

Construction of the 13 km (8.1 mi) long tunnel started in 1974, and it came into service on 12 July 1980, leading to the closure of the motorail shuttle service in the Fréjus rail tunnel. It cost 2 billion francs (equivalent to €700 million at 2005 prices). It is the ninth longest road tunnel in the world (as of 2014).



On the other side of the tunnel we got our bearings and punched the accommodation address into the SatNav. Climbing up another set of hairpins we arrived at La Norma and to the treat of a perfect little purpose built ski village. There were bars, restaurants and shops. The perfect way to relax after a long ride.

By now we had properly got to grips with the Nav V and I was changing the shaping points to waypoints on the device. This made a massive difference and we were following the routes with confidence. This all made for one of the best days of the trip, back though Col de l'Iseran (the D902 is a treat), Col de Petit St Bernard and Col de Gran St Bernard on the way to Martigny. We started with another coffee in a small village with a newsagent, come tobacconist, come coffee shop who sent us across the road to a patisserie to get our fresh croissants.

I've yet to mention the weather but it had been glorious sunshine and this made the views all the more spectacular to the point where we stopped all to often to take photos. Its hard to pick out a specific road as they were all stunning but the top of the Petit St Bernard was one that particularly stood out. We stopped for a rest and a coffee in the village at the top, got our picture of the carved St Bernard dog and carried on to road, hairpin and scenery at an ever increasing rate. We stopped at the top of the Grand St Bernard for lunch. It had a crazy feel about it with all manner of vehicles pulling up and a row of wooden huts selling souvenirs. We dropped down and towards Marigny before another short climb that took us to the evenings accommodation at Salvan, just north of Martigny. The place we had picked was a nice self contained apartment but the owner was a little strange and made up wear croc shoes in the apartment which was a pain when you are going in and out, boots off crocs on and vice versa, trying to unload a bike. This was our first stop in Switzerland as all previous overnight stays had been in France and in Euros and while the exchange rate had currently been suffering this was nothing to how expensive we found Switzerland, especially food. A word to the wise for anyone following our footsteps. Be prepared with plenty of Swiss Francs... or bring sandwiches.

The next day was another scorcher. We were now heading towards some of the most well known Swiss passes. I did mention having riding buddies who preferably get involved with the route planning and not, as is in this case, filed their itinerary in the bin and didn't bring a copy. Explaining the route and repeating the names of the passes was getting tedious. Regardless we were back on the road heading through the Swiss valleys that follow the Rhône with its many vineyards (it was pointed out, have you ever seen a bottle of Swiss wine?).

We had decided that after a number of days of heavy riding we would break the passes up a bit and tackle the others on the second day we had in Andermatt. So heading up and over the stunning Grimsel Pass we turnaround and after stopping to take a number of photos of the Furka Pass we dropped back down to the junction onto the Furka and rode up it where we then stopped to take pictures of the Grimsel Pass. I should mention at this point that I was loving the way the GS was eating up the hairpins. What was slightly disconcerting was the lack of barriers and I did my best not to peep over the edge for fear of a bit of target fixation and a considerably long drop!

Andermatt is a very nice place to stay and perfectly located for any number of great rides. If we had opted to base ourselves at one location for our whole trip then this would have been it. Not only that we had what was probably the best hotel on the trip, the Alpenhotel Schlüssel. Clean modern rooms, private underground parking and staff who couldn't do enough for us. After settling in we went on the search for food and found a place that was showing the Euro final. I'm not sure if it was the fact that the locals weren't interested or the fact that the heavens opened for the first time on the trip but we watched the match pretty much alone. Ronaldo went off the pitch injured early on but still managed to win the game single handedly. At the final whistle a Portugal fan appeared in a car and drove around Andermatt until the early hours blowing their horn. Turns out at least one person cared about the result.

The weather report for the next day was ominous and unless we wanted a severe soaking in a thunderstorm we would have to restrict our riding to half a day. We ditched the original route of Overlap, Lukmanier and St. Gotthard for a half day around the passes missed on the previous day. We set off to do a loop on the St. Gotthard to Airolo but then head west over the Nufenen pass and back around on the Furka again (having enjoyed it so much the first time). The weather had cleared up after the previous evenings downpour which we were very grateful for as our route took us on the Tremola with its miles of twisting cobbled road that I'd imagine could be interesting in the wet. Finding the Tremola caused some confusion. The SatNav knew exactly where it wanted to go but I was hesitant as the initial road gave the feeling that we were going to end up on a goat track. After circling a couple of times we committed to the road and I'm glad we did. Its still hard to get my head around how long it must have taken to lay all the cobbled road in its precise fanned out pattern. We stopped for photographs just below the new road/tunnel high above us. Dropping down to Airolo we had breakfast and carried on to the Nufenen. At the top of the Nufenen we stopped for a photo opportunity with the three flags of the two cantons and the Swiss flag and met three guys on a pair of GSA's and a new Africa Twin. They had obviously been offloading and the bikes showed it. One guy worked at a BMW dealer, the other GS was sold the bike from the dealer and the third guy worked at a Honda dealer and was riding the demo Africa Twin. He mused that his boss was going to kill him when he saw the state of the bike. I thought to myself that they should just stick it in the showroom window unwashed, like one of Charlie Boorman's bikes. We carried on back over the Furka where having enjoyed the views the first time I took the opportunity to open the bike up and enjoy it at speed. I've still yet to get my knee down on a GS yet. Arriving back in Andermatt we were a little frustrated that the weather was still holding and we possibly could have done the original rout although with the previous days modifications it would have been at the expense of the Nufenen so all in all I was happy.

The next day the rain was still to come. All the reports were for thunderstorms and torrential rain so with this in mind we decided just to take the most direct run to Lauterbrunnen, although this would still take us over the Susten Pass, however by the time we reached our turning point at Brünig the sun was still shining and we decided to go for the run over the Glaubenburg. The roads were different to other routes consisting of tight roads through wooded areas and opening up to farmland and grazing cows. It was Emmental country after all. As we climbed higher the weather turned. Initially we rode into a cloud with next to no visibility and the moisture then turned into light rain which then turned into some of the heaviest rain I have ever rode in. The only saving grace is that in anticipation we were all dressed in our Motorrad Rain Lock jacket and trousers. Our gloves were less protected and were drenched. As we dropped off the pass we reprogrammed the route. Get us to Lauterbrunnen ASAP!! At a place just outside of Thun we spotted the oasis that is BurgerKing and cold and wet we turned in to the car park. I have previously mentioned the prices in Switzerland and this is probably one of the best examples. I had a Whopper meal which cost me 18 Swiss Francs which works out at just over £14. What is it back home, around £5.99?

And so we arrived at Lauterbrunnen rightly described as the Swiss Yosemite with is steep rock faces and tall waterfalls. The could was low and there was no way that you could see the Eiger although we were close to its base. On paper our accommodation should have been one of the best and it was certainly one of the most expensive. In reality it was one of the worst, in fact I can easily say that it was one of the worst places I've ever stayed. Give me back the tent we had in Bramans! On arrival we were presented with two beys to the two 'double' rooms we had booked. The man on reception tried to explain about the bathroom access but I was too cold and wet to listen fully. When we got to the rooms it took us a minute to realise that there were no bathrooms or toilet in either room. What our guy on reception had tried to explain to us is that the only shower and toilet was on the floor above and shared between every other room in the hotel! Despite this we ditched our gear and got some warm dry clothes on while trying to dry our gloves and boots on whatever heat source we could find.

Lauterbrunnen is certainly a strange place. It doesn't take you long to realise that there are Chinese people everywhere, even to the point that one of the red flags on the front of the hotel that I had assumed was a pair of Swiss flags was in fact a Chinese flag. Digging out the phone we searched for somewhere to eat having decide that eating in the hotel possibly wasn't the best option. We were directed to a campsite that was half a mile down the road that had a well reviewed restaurant on site. In fact it turned out to be a very nice restaurant come après–ski bar. Weissbier and Wienerschnitzel all round then. I did wake up that night and need to relive my bladder. Not fancying strolling around the hotel in my underwear I decided I needed to be 'resourceful'. The room had a wastepaper bucket and there was a window. I'll leave it at that and say no more about Lauterbrunnen.

The final day had promised more of the same weather wise and that coupled with the need to get the bikes back to Geneva to get them loaded on the lorry and see it on its way meant that the group decision was to take the fastest route back to our starting location. Once again the rain suits were out again and we headed back to Thun, Bern and Lausanne before reaching Geneva in good time. With the bikes handed back to Bikeshuttle it was time to review our ride and compare notes with the others that were arriving back from their routes in Switzerland, France, Italy, Austria and Corsica.
 

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Glad you had a good trip Martin. So where to next year then? :thumb
 
Great read !
Possible to share your basecamp camp file?

thanks
 
Looks like you had a good trip,would do no harm to name the hotel in Lauterbrunnen so folks know to stay clear.

Norrie
 
Looks like you had a good trip,would do no harm to name the hotel in Lauterbrunnen so folks know to stay clear.

Norrie

Here are the lot. All on Booking.com with my ratings.

Business Park Hotel Thoiry
Address: 185 Avenue du Mont Blanc, 01710 Thoiry, France
Phone:+33 4 50 99 50 00

Booked by Bikeshuttle for first and last night. Good clean rooms. Secure parking. Reception staff a bit clueless

*** 3 stars

Le Val d’ambon
602 Route de l'église, 73500 Bramans, France
(Phone: +33479050305)

Very friendly welcome. Very cheap. Nearest restaurant a few clicks down the road (10 minute ride). Typical camp site facilities. Good for those that want a camping experience but don't want the tent. Sheets and towels additional charge.

*** 3 stars

Quality Hotel Menton Méditerranée
5 Rue de la République, 06500 Menton, France
(Phone: +33492418181)

Nice rooms, slippers and dressing gown supplied. Rooftop terrace and bar. Short walk to the beach. Loads of bars and cafes. Secure underground parking. 10 minutes from Monaco.

**** 4 stars

Vacancéole - Résidence Les Chalets et Balcons De La Vanoise
Les Chalets De La Vanoise, 73500 La Norma, France
(Phone: +33479058413)

Surprise package. Expected a self contained apartment. Didn't realise that the complex is a purpose built ski resort. Loads of facilities with restaurants and bars. Secure parking. Reasonably priced.

**** 4 stars

Les Soldanelles
Le Bioley 24, 1922 Salvan, Switzerland
(Phone: +41796656136)

A little pricey. Very clean self contained apartment (with beer waiting in the fridge). Very friendly. A bit weird that you had to wear crocs indoors. Short walk up/down VERY steep hill to village with restaurants.

*** 3 stars

Alpenhotel Schlüssel
Gotthardstrasse 30, 6490 Andermatt, Switzerland
(Phone: +41418887088)

Loved it. Bike central. Friendly and helpful staff. very clean rooms. Great location. Loads of facilities nearby. Good price. Secure underground parking.

***** 5 stars

Hotel Schützen Lauerbrunnen
Fuhren 439, 3822 Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland
(Phone: +41338555050)

Pricey and run down. Crap rooms. No en suite. One toilet/shower between the whole hotel. Public car park for the bikes. AVOID!

No stars!
 
Planned routes modified slightly from the itinerary files I was sent thanks to Donnie here

Actual tracks here

GPX 1.1 format from Basecamp
 
Glad you had a good trip Martin. So where to next year then? :thumb

I'm under pressure to go and visit all my US mates at the Tail of the Dragon. They converge every year around July/August form Indiana, Washington, Tennessee, North Carolina, Texas, Florida amount others and we all stay in a couple of lodges at the base of the Cherohala Skyway.

I went last year and hired a GS and Camaro out there, Loved it.
 

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Here are the lot. All on Booking.com with my ratings.

Business Park Hotel Thoiry
Address: 185 Avenue du Mont Blanc, 01710 Thoiry, France
Phone:+33 4 50 99 50 00

Booked by Bikeshuttle for first and last night. Good clean rooms. Secure parking. Reception staff a bit clueless

*** 3 stars

Le Val d’ambon
602 Route de l'église, 73500 Bramans, France
(Phone: +33479050305)

Very friendly welcome. Very cheap. Nearest restaurant a few clicks down the road (10 minute ride). Typical camp site facilities. Good for those that want a camping experience but don't want the tent. Sheets and towels additional charge.

*** 3 stars

Quality Hotel Menton Méditerranée
5 Rue de la République, 06500 Menton, France
(Phone: +33492418181)

Nice rooms, slippers and dressing gown supplied. Rooftop terrace and bar. Short walk to the beach. Loads of bars and cafes. Secure underground parking. 10 minutes from Monaco.

**** 4 stars

Vacancéole - Résidence Les Chalets et Balcons De La Vanoise
Les Chalets De La Vanoise, 73500 La Norma, France
(Phone: +33479058413)

Surprise package. Expected a self contained apartment. Didn't realise that the complex is a purpose built ski resort. Loads of facilities with restaurants and bars. Secure parking. Reasonably priced.

**** 4 stars

Les Soldanelles
Le Bioley 24, 1922 Salvan, Switzerland
(Phone: +41796656136)

A little pricey. Very clean self contained apartment (with beer waiting in the fridge). Very friendly. A bit weird that you had to wear crocs indoors. Short walk up/down VERY steep hill to village with restaurants.

*** 3 stars

Alpenhotel Schlüssel
Gotthardstrasse 30, 6490 Andermatt, Switzerland
(Phone: +41418887088)

Loved it. Bike central. Friendly and helpful staff. very clean rooms. Great location. Loads of facilities nearby. Good price. Secure underground parking.

***** 5 stars

Hotel Schützen Lauerbrunnen
Fuhren 439, 3822 Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland
(Phone: +41338555050)

Pricey and run down. Crap rooms. No en suite. One toilet/shower between the whole hotel. Public car park for the bikes. AVOID!

No stars!


totally agree about the alpenhotel schlussel andermatt, despite the noisy early morning deliveries to the coop next door, had a great welcome there from owner, good rooms, good breakfasts, central, underground parking, and pretty good value too!!
Met a group there including a couple of GSers, great fun! (never did get mention of the RAF! (injoke)
 
had a great welcome there from owner,

Indeed but he did remind me of Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Bastards

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Great write up, if you're ever going to Lauterbrunnen again then http://www.staubbach.com/ is where I stayed, excellent hotel with a view of the waterfall and cheaper than your chosen hotel.............
 
Cracking trip report....
 
Is the helicopter still operating in Lauterbrunnen? The wife and I had a fantastic half day trip in it, dropping off supplies to the mountain huts. we even managed a snowball fight with the pilot when we landed on the glacier.
We stayed nearby in Grindelwald at www.kirchbuehl.ch an excellent hotel.
 
Is the helicopter still operating in Lauterbrunnen? The wife and I had a fantastic half day trip in it, dropping off supplies to the mountain huts. we even managed a snowball fight with the pilot when we landed on the glacier.
We stayed nearby in Grindelwald at www.kirchbuehl.ch an excellent hotel.

I saw on helicopter in Lauterbrunnen but no cargo. There was a busy fella in Andermatt delivering pipes and boxes.

Grindelwald would definitely have been an option
 


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