Bluetooth/PMR

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Any one know of or have some sort of bluetooth interface that will work with PMR bike to bike radios (Kenwood etc). Like the wireless bluetooth for pillion, GPS, etc, but want the range and connect-ability between groups of riders that you get with the radios.
Thanks
 
best way to connect the kenwoods to make them blue tooth is via a Sena SR10. this would then have to connect to your bluetooth on your lid.

connectability will only work if all riders have tuned into the same PMR wavelength .you can tune other radios CTSS etc to the kenwoods.

Range will depend on where you are ,,you get a wider range out in the flat country as opposed to being in a city. To extend the range have the radio the correct way up or even better ,fit an external antenna.
 
Any one know of or have some sort of bluetooth interface that will work with PMR bike to bike radios (Kenwood etc). Like the wireless bluetooth for pillion, GPS, etc, but want the range and connect-ability between groups of riders that you get with the radios.
Thanks

I switched over to sena 20s this year, having been "chinese copy" kenwood/autocom but sick of the faffing about with wires and set up of autocom.


If you have used autocom and pmr you will be delighted with the ease of use of sena bluetooth, apart from anything else they are full duplex, so none of that "roger roger over over" , silence whilst the autocom swicthes from tx to rx,pause, then everyone talks across each other!! ( no more " broadsword calling danny boy" type radio discipline needed, altho if you like that sort of thing then just carry on!)

Had some concerns about how water proof it was going to be, but we fully tested this aspect on a tour in the june monsoon through europe and had no probs at all!

for gps and music/phone the sena is surprisingly good, once you get used to the use of jogwheel. I use UE monitors and its excellent quality sound but the in helmet speakers are not good for music quality at speeds above say 40 mph, if you are wearing any sort of earplugs. GPS works well tho' you just need to turn jogwheel to up the volume!
for bike to bike, intercom is also good, altho like pmr, range is affected by factors like whether the road is through open countryside or through trees/ valleys where line of sight is much reduced. in towns and cities it is worse, where more than one corner between bikes inbetween buildings , say, will mean it drops out.

Like PMR, sena are optimistic with their claims of range, but up to half a mile ( depending on terrain) should be ok. In comparison to normal PMR the sena is as good. If you have an illegally powerful pmr, say 5W output through a proper separate antenna (ahem!) instead of 0.5W, then of course the radio will win hands down.

the sena will allow multiple other senas to be paired up, but note it will allow only one non sena headset ( they claim or imply better connectivity to non sena headsets but its weasel words I'm afraid)

in a group with 3 bikes, we found it works well and allows you to switch off some or all when all the (extra?) voices in your head become too much!

I can only speak for the sena 20s, I guess most up to date system will be similar.

If you buy sena to use with pmrs, the extra cost will be the sr10 unit which is expensive and still needs a PTT cable and a radio lead extra specific to your type of pmr radio. I looked at this but after using the sena, decided it was simply not worth it, so never tried it out it may well work, especially if you have non bluetooth riders in your group!

HTH
 
I switched over to sena 20s this year, having been "chinese copy" kenwood/autocom but sick of the faffing about with wires and set up of autocom.


If you have used autocom and pmr you will be delighted with the ease of use of sena bluetooth, apart from anything else they are full duplex, so none of that "roger roger over over" , silence whilst the autocom swicthes from tx to rx,pause, then everyone talks across each other!! ( no more " broadsword calling danny boy" type radio discipline needed, altho if you like that sort of thing then just carry on!)

Had some concerns about how water proof it was going to be, but we fully tested this aspect on a tour in the june monsoon through europe and had no probs at all!

for gps and music/phone the sena is surprisingly good, once you get used to the use of jogwheel. I use UE monitors and its excellent quality sound but the in helmet speakers are not good for music quality at speeds above say 40 mph, if you are wearing any sort of earplugs. GPS works well tho' you just need to turn jogwheel to up the volume!
for bike to bike, intercom is also good, altho like pmr, range is affected by factors like whether the road is through open countryside or through trees/ valleys where line of sight is much reduced. in towns and cities it is worse, where more than one corner between bikes inbetween buildings , say, will mean it drops out.

Like PMR, sena are optimistic with their claims of range, but up to half a mile ( depending on terrain) should be ok. In comparison to normal PMR the sena is as good. If you have an illegally powerful pmr, say 5W output through a proper separate antenna (ahem!) instead of 0.5W, then of course the radio will win hands down.

the sena will allow multiple other senas to be paired up, but note it will allow only one non sena headset ( they claim or imply better connectivity to non sena headsets but its weasel words I'm afraid)

in a group with 3 bikes, we found it works well and allows you to switch off some or all when all the (extra?) voices in your head become too much!

I can only speak for the sena 20s, I guess most up to date system will be similar.

If you buy sena to use with pmrs, the extra cost will be the sr10 unit which is expensive and still needs a PTT cable and a radio lead extra specific to your type of pmr radio. I looked at this but after using the sena, decided it was simply not worth it, so never tried it out it may well work, especially if you have non bluetooth riders in your group!

HTH

I agree with most of what you say, I to have used autocom and kenwood PMR set up for years. Yes that had problems and like you say I love the 10u sena designed for my neotec helmet that in itself is great I don't use the sena handlebar joy stick as it fowls the I wheel on my GSA. The ease of use after about a month of setting up I and my best riding pals use sena 10u or sena 20 we have external antennas with kenwood PMR radios linked with the sena sr10 which bluetooths ok but is in need of updates. We do go darlick like on the voice sometimes but you just have to re start the sr10 and back you come.
We have the wunderlich Danny bag on the bars and have a switched live in there with two socket USB Mdule that charges the iPhone and the sr10 whilst riding��
I have made a PTT under the left grip for my thumb wks great! Yes like you say the whole bag of mashings is costly and by no means perfect but I like the set up know. Music comes from iPhone mainly use radio app I like radio better than just music get news etc. That's all controlled from sena 10u on left cheek pad in neotec lid. GPS comes from NAV V via SR10 all good.
My maid like is as I am GSA Keyless you arrive turn off the ingnition button and step off the bike No wires to unplug, keys to fiddle with and that is wonderful at petrol stations. Especially with the flip helmet. I have just come back from Germany 7 bikes some a same set up others my old autocombkenwood set up we all communicated well. Ok we had to charge our lids a couple of times but I used a battery pack left it in the helmet charging in the top box locked up in hotel car park,got up in morning and good to go.
So I'm Bluetooth BIlly now. We visited the BMW bike wks and again all was good

Big D

My 5pence worth
 
One problem with Bluetooth you might not have considered only you can hear the satnav instructions not your pillion. This is what kept me with wired Autocom, shame!


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I still have the autocom and kenwood set up but have just gone to Senna 20 ( thanks andy) and i got to wondering if the senna will pair to the BT module on the autocom will the Kenwood work that way
 
One problem with Bluetooth you might not have considered only you can hear the satnav instructions not your pillion. This is what kept me with wired Autocom, shame!


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Not quite correct, the 20s has dual Bluetooth so it can allow you to listen to sat Nag without interrupting pillion communication .
 


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