BMW Nav2 or SP2610 or SP111

happy grandad

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I have been lurking on these forums ever since I ordered a new 1200GS. It has been very illuminating and helpful. Thanks.

As I am buying a new bike I was wondering if I could ask advice about what to do re GPS.

I have a SP111 - bought in Nov 2002 - and am very happy with it. I have just upgraded to V6. I have been following the debate on the BMW Nav2 re SP2610 and am wondering - as i am getting a new bike - whether I should upgrade to a BMW Nav 2 or SP2610. The man from the dealers would fit the BMW Nav 2 direct to the bike etc.

For those who have had both what are a) the advantages of upgrading and b) is it worth it. (I have one opportunity of buying this without my lovely wife shouting at me as my mother died recently and i am spending her money)

Thank you very much for any advice that comes my way.

:D
 
I think it depends on how much £££ you're prepared to spend (not sure that my Mum would want me to spend any inheritance on bike bits though!!).

I've recently upgraded from an SPIII to a 2610. I thought that the SPIII was the dog's knees until I got the 2610. I would like the Navigator II but can neither afford it nor think that it's worth the extra.

Yer pays yer money ....

Greg
 

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Greetings Grandad from just over the moor....:)


Sorry car,nt help with your question though :rolleyes:
 
Grandad:

There is a really remarkable difference between the SP III and the newer 2610/BMW Navigator II. The processor in the newer product is much faster - about 10 times faster - as a result, if you have a route active and decide to make a detour, the recalculation of your new route is almost instant, there is no waiting.

The screen is brighter, more durable, and there are fewer problems with reflections, because a better technology is used for anti-reflection. The screen brightness is also automatic, based on ambient light level detected by a photocell. At high magnification levels (street level detail), the newer units draw the streets with a fatter pen line (software 2.95 and higher), this makes it much easier to view the streets if you are old enough to be a Grandad. Also, the arrows used in the 'next turn' pop-up screens are fatter and provide more clear guidance.

The new products (26xx and BMW Navigator II) have much larger memory capacity, this means you can do a tour from the UK to Bratislava and back without ever needing to reload the data chip. They also have the capability to do more software tricks (e.g. avoid specific roads, avoid certain areas of town, and other tricks that are coming down the pipeline soon) than the SP III could do. Not sure if you are into this level of enthusiasm for GPSR use or not, perhaps this is not important to you.

Concerning the 26xx vs the BMW Navigator II: BMW has done a lot better job of 'adding value' to the Navigator II than they did with the original Navigator. There is an additional button pad provided- this can be quite useful on a motorcycle - they provide you with a much bigger data chip (twice the size of the 26xx data chip), this is better suited to long distance touring - and they provide a wiring harness (at extra cost) that is specific to the BMW model motorcycle you drive.

My opinion is that if you plan to do long tours - outside of the UK and deep into Europe - you should consider upgrading to the 26xx or the Navigator II. If you plan to stay mostly in the UK, and you are happy with the SP III, then save your money.

Have a look yourself at a BMW Navigator II, preferably one that is hooked up on a moto and functional, not just one sitting in a box. That way, you can make your own decision about whether you like the button pad or not. If you do plan to make long tours, then the bigger data chip that comes with the BMW unit will save you about USD 200 that you will have to spend to buy another data chip (adding up to the same size as the one that BMW ships), so deduct $200 from the price difference when making the comparison. If you decide to buy a 26xx, the Garmin motorcycle mounting kit (bracket and wire) will cost you USD $50.

BMW does provide a two year warranty, compared to Garmin's one year warranty - however, as with most consumer electronics, if they don't fail in their infancy, they usually last forever, so I don't think the longer warranty is a big issue.

I owned a SP III from Spring 2001 to Summer 2003, and switched over to the a pre-production prototype of the SP 2650 in the summer of 2003. I was very favourably impressed with the 2650 from day one - recalculation speed and screen redraw speed were the biggest benefits I noticed. But, if I had to pay the prices you poor sods in the UK have to (mostly tax, I think), I might have thought twice before upgrading, were it not for the fact that I needed the additional memory capacity (I use a 1 gig CF card) for the long distance touring that I do.

About this R1200GS motorcycle you have - is that a dual-sport (off road) motorcycle? If so, I suggest you NOT get the new 2620, which is a 2610 with a hard drive, rather than a CF memory chip in it. Long term motorcycle testing of the 2620 to determine the shock resistance of the hard drive has not been completed yet.

Hope this helps you decide.

PanEuropean
 
How cheeky is this Happy Grandad if and when you
want to sell your GPS I would like First refusal on it


I did try to email you and pm you but you
wil not except either

NOW DONT FORGET TO TELL ME FIRST


Mobile 07970 866743 :beerjug:
 
TERRY RYAN said:
How cheeky is this Happy Grandad if and when you
want to sell your GPS I would like First refusal on it


I did try to email you and pm you but you
wil not except either

NOW DONT FORGET TO TELL ME FIRST


Mobile 07970 866743 :beerjug:

Damn Terry, you just got in before me.

Can I have second option please Grandad?

Mike
 
Thanks for the replies - truly appreciated - they are likely to cause a divorce :D as without telling the wife I have gone and ordered the Nav2 as I thought life is too short to worry about a few pounds here and there. Of course this means that we will not be able to get the back room decorated but what the hell...

What decided me in the end were the comments from Gregg that the SP2610 is much better and PanEuropean's that the SP111 was slower as i had this problem last year when i lost all my stored routes at the start of a month's long tour around Europe when I switched it off when it was recalculating as it took so long I thought it had crashed. The routes had taken months to calculate and of course i did not have a backup.

And the other thing that decided the issue, my mates think that i will kill myself fiddling with the small zoom buttons on the SP111 as we are bombing along the twisties. The new Nav 2 will save my life. Is that a good enough excuse to buy it?

As for spending my parent's cash, I always told them to spend it whilst they were alive cos i would spend it on bikes etc if they left it to me. I am only keeping my promise to them. My brother and sister have put their share in a pension fund so one of us has to spend.

Thanks again.
A very but worried about the wife Grandad.

PS I will keep you all in mind if and when i sell the other
 
Looking at the cost of upgrading to the NavII, find that the US price is £849 with all the whistles and bells. So where do Pidcocks get £1400. Come on dont mind a bit of a joke but this is really taking the pi$$. Are European models available in the US ? and if bought over there and used by someone over in the US would they attract full import taxes when brought into the UK? cos I have a friend who is willing to bring me one back.
 
Problem is, you have to have the Euro mapping data!

But, given Gazza's numbers, you could buy a US 2610 (with full US mapping) and a Euro SPIII and still have change out of the price of the BMW Nav II!

Greg
 
Has the 2610 got the same crap screen as the Streetpilot III? The only time i can see my screen is after dusk; really spoils an otherwise good product.
 
Crap Screen

Well upto now can't fault the screen unless I have my sunglasses on and my visor down, I'll tell you when I've used it in the summer. AND then I'll end up with a 2610 if SWMBO lets me!!!

Gary.
 
gazza said:
Looking at the cost of upgrading to the NavII, find that the US price is £849 with all the whistles and bells. So where do Pidcocks get £1400. Come on dont mind a bit of a joke but this is really taking the pi$$. Are European models available in the US ? and if bought over there and used by someone over in the US would they attract full import taxes when brought into the UK? cos I have a friend who is willing to bring me one back.

Gazza,

tell him to buy it (mail order) from BMW of Chicago. They do 20% discount off all BMW parts. The part number for the kit, retailng in Daytona at $1499, is 72607 685 837. They'll do it for $1199 - plus about $15 to ship it within the lower 48 states. They've none in stock at present, but they'll order it for you (or your mate). I'm teetering about buying one myself at the moment - I've already got a buyer for the SPIII, so it's a £370ish upgrade...

Hmmm...

Mike:D

Chicago BMW
 
Rob Farmer:

Your question about the screen - did you read the posts (above) before you wrote it? Read the post I wrote in reply to Grandad - 4th one from the top.
 


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