Brakes - cleaning and changing rear pads

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Last night I decided to clean my brakes and change the rear pads, which were pretty much worn out after about 5000 miles. I think this early death is partly due to the linked brakes and also my riding style, so I'm not particularly bothered about it. But don't rely on your pads lasting the full service interval!

While I was at it I removed the front calipers, cleaned the pistons and applied a bit of copper grease to the back of the pads and the pin that holds them in. I'll see if this cures the slight brake squeal I've been having.

By the way, all this is based on my experience with previous bikes, but if I've made a GS-specific mistake, please feel free to point it out!

Here's the front caliper, you can see the pads have loads of life left.

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Before starting on the rear caliper, remove the silly rear mudguard thingy.

First step in removing the rear pads is to remove the small R clip that's through the pin, and then gently tap the pin loose with a drift and hammer. Tap from the offside, but don't fully remove it yet.

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Next remove the caliper by undoing the two large torx bolts. The caliper and silver coloured slider can then be removed. The caliper mounts on the slider with two large pins with rubber seals round them. Slide the caliper free as shown in the photo. Clean the slider up a bit and put a small amount of fresh grease on the pins.

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Next, remove the pad locating pin and the pads. Clean the caliper and pistons gently (I use a stiff nylon brush, never use a wire brush or abrasive paper on the pistons as they are made of nylon), and then GENTLY push the pistons back into the caliper. I was told by a BMW tech person that it's ok to gently push them back with your fingers, but don't push too fast or you bugger up the ABS pump.

Here you can see how much friction material was left on my pads, compared to the new pads.

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Smear a small amount of copper grease on the back on the new pads, and on the pin. Push the slider pins back into the caliper and then fit the new pads. This part is a bit fiddly and hard to describe in detail - it may help if you have three hands :D The pads can only be fitted one way round - note that the pad on the piston side is thicker. Don't attempt to push the pin all the way back into the caliper at this point, just put it in sufficiently to hold the pads in place.

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Mount the caliper back on the bike, and then, using a hammer and drift, gently tap the pin all the way into place. You'll have to work through the rear wheel for this. You'll know when the pin is correct as you'll be able to see the small hole in it that the R clip goes through. Push the R clip through the pin, and then tighten the caliper mounting bolts to the correct torque (or if you're shabby like me, just tighten them :D )

Finally, turn on the ignition and apply the rear brake, to push the pistons and pads into position. Remember when riding that new pads take a while to bed in, so you won't have full braking power for 10-20 miles or so.

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I didn't bother refitting the rear mud guard thingy, I'm going to experiment whether the bike gets less spray with it removed. So, just to annoy people, I put a nasty old screw in the mounting hole on the rear drive housing, to stop it getting full of dirt :D

I also habitually put a smear of copper grease on all bolts as I refit them - opinion may differ on this but I never have trouble with seized bolts.

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So there you go. It was no different to changing the pads on any other bike really. And just as a point of interest, I noticed that the rear caliper is pretty much identical to the front one on my old Honda CB500! I hope this info is useful to some people, but remember, the brakes are a safety critical item, so don't mess with them unless you know what you are doing! :D
 
Excellent :thumb

Not being funny but;

1. Can you not put this into a PDF document (or i can do it for you if you write it up in word or something) so that its easier to read and print
2. Put a disclaimer on the bottom of that post! Sad but necessary!

Nice work :)
 
Hmm, I don't use Word, in fact I don't use Windows, but I'll see if I can make a PDF. On the other hand, isn't it accessible to more people in this form? Rather than just a link to a pdf ... I don't have problems printing web pages ... but then again I don't use Windows :D


Do I need more of a disclaimer than "don't mess with your brakes unless you know what you're doing"? How about "If you die it's not my fault" :D
 
Mouse said:

Do I need more of a disclaimer than "don't mess with your brakes unless you know what you're doing"? How about "If you die it's not my fault" :D

Perfect :D :thumb

You don't want some inept numtpy suing you becuase you 'told them to do it' :rolleyes:

Thanks for the guide, it will be most useful :thumb
 
Another good 'how to' post Mouse. Don't forget to put your full name and address at the bottom so that I can sue you if it all goes pear shaped:D
 
Mouse said:
Hmm, I don't use Word, in fact I don't use Windows, but I'll see if I can make a PDF. On the other hand, isn't it accessible to more people in this form? Rather than just a link to a pdf ... I don't have problems printing web pages ... but then again I don't use Windows :D

In OpenOffice.org all you need to do is export it as PDF, or Word for that matter...

:cool:

But somehow I assume that this isn't a valid tip..? :confused:
 
Brill write-up and piccies (and better here than PDF which takes ages on my old crap pc!).
BTW like the fetching blue gloves!, and still clean enough to use in the kitchen- mmm!
 
Mouse, that's a neat writeup. Any chance you'd let me turn it into a Webpage and post it at http://www.R1200GS.info/ in the 'howto' section, with attribution to yourself, of course?

I'll offer you a bribe of a baseball style cap with a red R1200GS embroidered on it...

:)
 
HMarc, I tried to reply to your email about that but it bounced - so I may as well reply here :)

Feel free to use anything I've posted above to make up a guide, as you see fit. But as I'll have to take the images off my webspace at some time in the future, take your own copies rather than linking to mine please.

I'm currently working on a "how to make your handlebars narrower" guide, maybe you can use that one on your website too? :D I'd much rather it was availabe for people to use than lost on this board (although people can always search for it!)
 
Good write up Mouse, very useful although I have a small point to make:

Rather than use copper grease, I think a silicon grease would be better. Copper grease is like any other petroleum based one, in that ultimately it can attack rubber. It takes a while, but should any get into the pistons and onto the rubber seals they may eventually be corroded by it and cause a fluid loss. It's not going to happen overnight, but better to be safe than sorry, silicon based grease doesn't have any effect on rubber/plastics etc.
 
I've never had a problem with using copper grease on brake pads before ... but it's not required if you don't want to use it. It can stop brake squeal (I'm not sure how) when used on the back of the brake pads. When the bike is initially assembled I don't think any grease at all is used on the caliper, except some normal grease on the slider pins. So feel free not to use copper grease if you don't fancy it :)
 
HMarc - tried to PM you but I can't as you aren't a sponsor. I tried to email you but my mail is bounced back with the message "domain locally blacklisted". I'm not sure whether this means your domain is blacklisted with my ISP, or vice versa. My ISP is "ntlworld.com", just in case you have any control over what goes on at your end. Have you an alternate email address I can contact you at?
 
Muppet said:
Good write up Mouse, very useful although I have a small point to make:

Rather than use copper grease, I think a silicon grease would be better. Copper grease is like any other petroleum based one, in that ultimately it can attack rubber. It takes a while, but should any get into the pistons and onto the rubber seals they may eventually be corroded by it and cause a fluid loss. It's not going to happen overnight, but better to be safe than sorry, silicon based grease doesn't have any effect on rubber/plastics etc.
It may be true that copper grease can slowly attack rubber but I've always used it on the back of brake pads and never had any trouble. I'm not too sure about using silicone grease as this tends to spread around more easily and the last thing you want is any of this on the pads. True it won't attack rubber (that's why plumbers use it) but I don't think its suitable for use near brakes as its too likely to spread and get on the disks or pads. Just my opinion and many garages routinely use copper slip on the back of pads as it damps down vibration which causes the squeal.
Cheers JG
 
JayGee said:
It may be true that copper grease can slowly attack rubber but I've always used it on the back of brake pads and never had any trouble. I'm not too sure about using silicone grease as this tends to spread around more easily and the last thing you want is any of this on the pads. True it won't attack rubber (that's why plumbers use it) but I don't think its suitable for use near brakes as its too likely to spread and get on the disks or pads. Just my opinion and many garages routinely use copper slip on the back of pads as it damps down vibration which causes the squeal.
Cheers JG

Agree about copper containing high temperature grease as I have used it for 30+ years. It is recommended in workshop manuals I have read. But do not allow it to contact the piston seals, this is easily avoided by simply not putting it in the piston bore.
Suitable silicone grease is sold by brake cylinder/caliper manufacturers to lube the pistons as it will not react with either the rubber parts or the glycol based hydraulic fluid. Any hydrocarbon based lube in contact with rubber/glycol will react and swell the seals shortly before they self destruct. And in extremis the HC could flash from liquid to gas phase(simulating fluid boiling due to overheating) and put you and toy in the weeds just when the stoppers are under full load.
I do not know about the type used by plumbers, do you know what sort of temperature range it will accommodate? Typically brake pads can operate in the 600/700 degrees celcius range and the copper stuff I have is rated at 1150 degrees, so it would be reasonable to look for a silicone with similar capacity to avoid lubing the pad to disc interface with predictably interesting results.
I think that we are safe under UK legislation without any disclaimer as we are simply exchanging opinions without a fee based client/vendor (or whatever) relationship which would imply a duty of care.Unless of course some crafty devil is getting commission on sales of brake lubricants to we poor naive souls?
 
Good info Terry, thanks.
If silicone gease is available with similar high melt point then great, I was just talking about ordinary silicone gease which is fairly liquid even at room temperatures.
Like you said, no problems using copper grease provided you keep it well away from the seals and I don't think you should lube the pistons at all.
 
Ah, that probably means somebody at ntlworld.com tried to spam one of the 70 odd motorcycle mailing lists we run at micapeak.com. I could just unblock that domain, or you could just email me via:

hmlewis at gmail dot com

That should work (though I don't check for mail there quite as often)...
 


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