Cheap intercom help

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Looking for the cheapest bike to bike intercom available, needs to be cheap as i will be using it for trail riding and communicating with a tail ender.
Needs to be voice activated is the only requirement, been told to look in places like Maplin but i have no idea on these things whatsoever, so any help appreciated
 
Looking for the cheapest bike to bike intercom available, needs to be cheap as i will be using it for trail riding and communicating with a tail ender.
Needs to be voice activated is the only requirement, been told to look in places like Maplin but i have no idea on these things whatsoever, so any help appreciated

In my experience cheap and a decent VOX are mutually exclusive I'm afraid. The Maplin headsets are pretty useless as they have no noise cancelling mic. With a PTT switch you could probably make your self heard up to 40mph on the road at best, using VOX would have you wondering why you bothered IMHO.

A battery powered intercom such as Autocom Logic (current model) or their Active Plus (older and can be had off eBay) connected to a decent PMR radio would be the way I would go. Either of these can be bike powered (12v) as well should you wish. The VOX function is handled by the intercom, not the radio and the headset incorporates a decent noise cancelling mic. PTT option is also available as an extra if you get fed up of your riding buddies singing, burps etc.

Choice of PMR radio is a whole new subject... :)

Alternatively one of the crop of Bluetooth headsets with integral bike to bike capability may suit your purpose, not sure if they are VOX actuated though. Someone with more experience of these should be along shortly to comment.
 
does it really need to be VOX operated ? and how cheap is cheap ?

as PTT (Push to talk) is a fair better system, and you can located the PTT button somewhere convenient so when out on the trails it would be easy to use.

If you really need the VOX then for reliable comms you will probably need the intercomm part, if you can dump the VOX and go PTT A modern Intercomm headset and mic with a good PMR radio is all you'll need, halfing the total cost and hassle.
 
Dont want to sound stupid but iam , not sure what you mean with all these PMR ,PTT stuff

Can you explain a bit better in idiot terms and any links for ideas.I am always open to suggestions, but yes it would need to be voice activated, may even use it on the road bikes then.Cost wise i am always looking for a bargain ( those that know me call me tight, but i beg to differ) :D
Thanks
 
not sure what you mean with all these PMR ,PTT stuff

PMR = Public Mobile Radio. These are hand held radios utilising the 8 licence free frequencies in the UK and most of Europe. Regulations stipulate a maximum power output of 0.5 Watt which isn't much. Manufacturers claim ranges of 5 miles or more, in reality a few hundred yards to a mile unless you're talking about line of sight from one mountain top to another.

PTT = Press To Talk. A switch that you press to transmit. For bike use usually mounted on the handlebars next to the switch-gear.

Can you explain a bit better in idiot terms and any links for ideas.I am always open to suggestions, but yes it would need to be voice activated, may even use it on the road bikes then.Cost wise i am always looking for a bargain ( those that know me call me tight, but i beg to differ) :D

Why the need for voice activatation (VOX)? Riding off road is quite physical, quite a bit of huffing and puffing I'm sure. This will probably trigger the radio to transmit quite a bit.

The Autocom PTT switch actually has the ability to select PTT, VOX or constant transmit.

JayC said:
Buy cheap buy twice!

That sums it up really. Rushing out and believing the claims on the packaging on stuff in Maplin will result in disappointment. Believe me I've been there and learnt the lesson. Do not believe that the VOX built into the radio will work on a bike, it won't.

With a bit of patience I reckon you could put yourself together a decent Autocom outfit off of eBay for around £150-180. Active Plus, PTT switch, radio and lead to connect radio to intercom. For VOX only you can ignore the PTT switch and lop £25-30 off that price but I think you'd probably wind up buying one in the end anyway so have included it.

If you can accept PTT as the way forward I can recommend the McKay headset (the open face version - works in a full face lid). Works well with proper noise cancelling mic and there's no need for an intercom. However, the wires might be a little fragile for off road use.
 
PMR = Public Mobile Radio. These are hand held radios utilising the 8 licence free frequencies in the UK and most of Europe. Regulations stipulate a maximum power output of 0.5 Watt which isn't much. Manufacturers claim ranges of 5 miles or more, in reality a few hundred yards to a mile unless you're talking about line of sight from one mountain top to another.

PTT = Press To Talk. A switch that you press to transmit. For bike use usually mounted on the handlebars next to the switch-gear.



Why the need for voice activatation (VOX)? Riding off road is quite physical, quite a bit of huffing and puffing I'm sure. This will probably trigger the radio to transmit quite a bit.

The Autocom PTT switch actually has the ability to select PTT, VOX or constant transmit.



That sums it up really. Rushing out and believing the claims on the packaging on stuff in Maplin will result in disappointment. Believe me I've been there and learnt the lesson. Do not believe that the VOX built into the radio will work on a bike, it won't.

With a bit of patience I reckon you could put yourself together a decent Autocom outfit off of eBay for around £150-180. Active Plus, PTT switch, radio and lead to connect radio to intercom. For VOX only you can ignore the PTT switch and lop £25-30 off that price but I think you'd probably wind up buying one in the end anyway so have included it.

If you can accept PTT as the way forward I can recommend the McKay headset (the open face version - works in a full face lid). Works well with proper noise cancelling mic and there's no need for an intercom. However, the wires might be a little fragile for off road use.

Many thanks for the explanation, what kit would you recommend for a two bike/ person setup ?
Not sure what bits i would need for the full kits
 
what kit would you recommend for a two bike/ person setup ?
Not sure what bits i would need for the full kits

Others may disagree with my choice but here goes:

Autocom Active Plus, See middle unit on the top row of this page. This will give you battery powered (PP9) or bike powered intercom with a quality VOX system that you want. Originally available in kit form for rider only or rider and pillion, basically one headset or two headsets. You can always obtain a pillion headset later if you get the former. To it's right is the Super Pro Avi which has more accessory sockets and volume that adjusts with ambient noise. The latter is useful on the road where wind noise is a relative constant but this would be less relevant off road where background noise is constantly variable. Active Plus is fine up to about 70-80mph on the road anyway. Super Pro Avi is better for a road rider but is more expensive and runs off bike power only. Don't confuse Active Plus with the Easi Plus (to the left).

These are no longer available new, you can get them off eBay for around the £50-£60 mark. Make sure headset and headset extension lead is included.

PMR Radio, the de-facto standard is the Kenwood TK3201. This is a tough professional, military spec. radio that will take punishment and damp conditions. Falling into a stream might be taking that a bit far though. If you do fording and risk immersion I would consider getting some sort of waterproofing for the intercom and radio.

TK3201s can be had off eBay for £50-£70. Ensure charger and battery are included.

An alternative is something like a Puxing PX888 or PX777 from China, pretty good for the price, more feature rich than the Kenwoods and not particularly legal in terms of compliance with OFCOM regulations for PMR (in a number of ways including extra transmit power). I note that you run a business so operating the likes of a non OFCOM compliant Puxing for business purposes would be inadvisable. You might want to consider getting a business licence, £75 for three years ISTR which will allow use of 5 Watt radios on specific frequencies. Needless to say you need to make this decision ahead of buying the radios as you need to buy the correct handset with the required frequency range. Also if you intend to use the radios for communication on the road with groups of other riders you'll probably need PMR kit anyway as that's what they'll most likely have.

Autocom radio lead, see here or here. You need this to connect your radio to the intercom. This is assuming a Kenwood radio is chosen (same lead fits the Puxings though).

Can be found on eBay for around £8-£12 but as you can see above they're not much more new.

Autocom PTT switch, see here. Only buy the version with grey sockets as seen here, pref with part number to match. I suggest this as an option to maybe consider if VOX doesn't work out for you for reasons previously mentioned.

Available from eBay for £25-£30, not much more new.

Without the PTT switch, or bike powering the intercom, you should be able to carry the intercom and radio in a bum-bag, or spacious pocket, which will free you from being tethered to the bike. The downside of this is that the Kenwood radio especially is quite a lump that you don't really want to land on if you have a fall. Autocom do a curly headset extension lead (the std kit ones are straight) which might help if you mount the intercom and radio on the bike. Autocom headsets should separate with a tug anyway.

As you're in Swansea a visit to Sam at Chainspeed might be a good idea. He might have some improvements on the suggestions above. I've always found them very helpful and keen to make happy customers over making a one off sale.

Obviously with two bikes you'll need kit for two riders doubling up the requirement.

HTH
 
Thanks very much for all your help , know i sort of know what to start looking for , will also give the guys at chainspeed a call/ visit
 
I would give considerable thought about the VOX requirement, as Bumpkin mentions off roading will involve a bit of huffing and puffing, so you may need to adjust the VOX to such a level that you need to shout so you don't activate it with heavy breathing.

PTT has the advantage of not needing the Autocom part of the the setup, just a descent PMR radio with a headset from a reputable manufacturer, IE Autocomm, starcomm, Intaride which all have noise cancelling mics. this will reduce the intial outlay by considerable amount

see HERE for a visual example of a simple PTT setup
 


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