Chunk/clunk from gearbox when blipped in neutral

Jeremy Wilton

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R100gs paralever.. when the bike's cold and I first start it up in neutral if I blip the throttle there's a definite 'kerchlunk', then OK, then revs drop, then when I blip the throttle again - 'chlunk' again - like something's 'slopping,' then catching up again. Once underway doing the deliveries under load no probs... and it's not a massive 'chlunk' each time - just a bit.
Rotating the wheel back doesn't produce much chunking - and you can't wobble it - so not the driveshaft methinks.
Last time I drained the gearbox there was a healthy amount of swarf on the magnet drain bolt.
Now I know there's something not quite right as the 'klerchung' noise wasn't there previously - question is: 'How bad is this going to get?' With your bloke's vast experience of the bikes, has it got a few thousand miles left or is it dismantle gearbox and all the associated aggro time?
 
If on stand does the back wheel try to rotate at same time as klunk? Just wondered if something is sticking in gearbox like a bit of swarf/geartooth chip that prevents shaft from running freely but when warmed up expansion etc allows it to move freely.
 
Hard to say/diagnose on a PC ! Could still be the shaft. Disconnect the shaft from gearbox and try the process again...if no clunk then you need a driveshaft ! If still clunking, best get gearbox reconditioned ( especially re swarf being found etc ) as it will let you down ( Only good thing is that the shaft will already have been removed for when you want/need to take the gearbox out ! :) )
 
Hard to say/diagnose on a PC ! Could still be the shaft. Disconnect the shaft from gearbox and try the process again...if no clunk then you need a driveshaft ! If still clunking, best get gearbox reconditioned ( especially re swarf being found etc ) as it will let you down ( Only good thing is that the shaft will already have been removed for when you want/need to take the gearbox out ! :) )

Going to try this and a few other things - will try in gear with clutch pulled in etc see what happens then
 
Its very difficult to diagnose remotely - and sometimes having the box in bits doesn't help either.

I have just rebuilt a box for a member in Ireland. It was sent to me because it was leaking oil from the output shaft rear oil seal and he couldn't get the drive flange off.

I said I might as well strip it while I had it and check it over. . . . . .

The front bearing on the output shaft had partially collapsed, the cage was in bits which were lying in the box and the balls were grouped at the bottom of the outer track. The oil baffle in front of the forward bearing was chewed-up. Two other bearings were shot and the box was full of swarf.

I cleaned it out, machined a circlip grove in the output shaft, put all new bearings in, new seals and springs and it seemed fine to me - smooth to turn and the gearchange was good.

Later it was sent back to me as it was "noisy - and it didn't do that before" :blast.

I went right through it again, set the shafts between centres and tested them with a dial gauge - all ok, just minimal run-out (0.07mm max).

I took the centre out of an old clutch plate, turned it up and mounted the box on my lathe - it ran nice and quietly with the gearchange just clicking into gear. I gave it half an hour, changed the oil and gave it another half an hour - all fine. What I can't do, of course, is mimic the power pulses of a ticking-over airhead on my lathe, and I drew the line at fitting it into my bike and trying it out (though I now wish I had).

It has now gone back, but I expect it will sound the same when fitted. I suppose it could be excess clearance between the gear teeth after its initial trauma but unless I replace everything in there on the off-chance of finding the cause there is nothing else I can do.

I have received a video clip of the original noise - with the bike ticking over there is a definite clatter that is quieter when the clutch is pulled in - is it the box or is it the clutch ??? I can't tell from here.


The reason I'm recounting this tale is that it is very difficult to pin these things down. A 'klunk' on initial blipping of the throttle could be a very worn bearing or possibly the shock absorber if the spring is weak and/or the cams worn.

Swarf in a box is not uncommon and doesn't necessarily herald imminent failure, worth investigating if there is a lot of it though.

If it is a worn bearing or shock absorber I would expect you to notice a klunk when riding the bike and going on and off the throttle - is there anything like that happening ??

How old is the clutch friction plate - could the splines be worn ??

If you are going to worry about it I would remove the box and get it overhauled (I'm not looking for work - I have a Toyota Landcruiser Transfer Box in bits on the bench and you wouldn't believe the state of that, Its going to take me a while to clean it out let alone fix it :eek:).

Peace of mind is worth a lot when you're a long way from home on a wet night relying on the bike to get you back safely ;).

I hope you track down the noise/problem. Please let us know what you find.

Bob.
 
Its very difficult to diagnose remotely - and sometimes having the box in bits doesn't help either.

I have just rebuilt a box for a member in Ireland. It was sent to me because it was leaking oil from the output shaft rear oil seal and he couldn't get the drive flange off.

I said I might as well strip it while I had it and check it over. . . . . .

The front bearing on the output shaft had partially collapsed, the cage was in bits which were lying in the box and the balls were grouped at the bottom of the outer track. The oil baffle in front of the forward bearing was chewed-up. Two other bearings were shot and the box was full of swarf.

I cleaned it out, machined a circlip grove in the output shaft, put all new bearings in, new seals and springs and it seemed fine to me - smooth to turn and the gearchange was good.

Later it was sent back to me as it was "noisy - and it didn't do that before" :blast.

I went right through it again, set the shafts between centres and tested them with a dial gauge - all ok, just minimal run-out (0.07mm max).

I took the centre out of an old clutch plate, turned it up and mounted the box on my lathe - it ran nice and quietly with the gearchange just clicking into gear. I gave it half an hour, changed the oil and gave it another half an hour - all fine. What I can't do, of course, is mimic the power pulses of a ticking-over airhead on my lathe, and I drew the line at fitting it into my bike and trying it out (though I now wish I had).

It has now gone back, but I expect it will sound the same when fitted. I suppose it could be excess clearance between the gear teeth after its initial trauma but unless I replace everything in there on the off-chance of finding the cause there is nothing else I can do.

I have received a video clip of the original noise - with the bike ticking over there is a definite clatter that is quieter when the clutch is pulled in - is it the box or is it the clutch ??? I can't tell from here.


The reason I'm recounting this tale is that it is very difficult to pin these things down. A 'klunk' on initial blipping of the throttle could be a very worn bearing or possibly the shock absorber if the spring is weak and/or the cams worn.

Swarf in a box is not uncommon and doesn't necessarily herald imminent failure, worth investigating if there is a lot of it though.

If it is a worn bearing or shock absorber I would expect you to notice a klunk when riding the bike and going on and off the throttle - is there anything like that happening ??

How old is the clutch friction plate - could the splines be worn ??

If you are going to worry about it I would remove the box and get it overhauled (I'm not looking for work - I have a Toyota Landcruiser Transfer Box in bits on the bench and you wouldn't believe the state of that, Its going to take me a while to clean it out let alone fix it :eek:).

Peace of mind is worth a lot when you're a long way from home on a wet night relying on the bike to get you back safely ;).

I hope you track down the noise/problem. Please let us know what you find.

Bob.

As you quite rightly point out - this will need a bit more investigating - I'm going to have a listen and a blatt tonight to try to narrow this down...
 
Clunking chunking

As you quite rightly point out - this will need a bit more investigating - I'm going to have a listen and a blatt tonight to try to narrow this down...

You're going to love this - it sounds as if the chunklinking chunking is coming from the silencer - as it gets hotter the noise isn't as bad - could be expanded loose bits - going to take off the silencer and rattle it abart and see... good news is: might not be the gearbox, bad news is: what a wxxker!
 
Is your bike fitted with a y piece? If it is it's probably blown the baffle out of your silencer.
 


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