copying VHS tapes to dvd for dummies

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I have a number of VHS tapes with between 1 to 3 hours of stuff on which i thought it would be nice to copy to DVDs so we can watch them in years to come
I have a nice new laptop with 160gb hard drive and lots of ram and vista home premium, and a dvd writer.
there seems to be some software lurking there, with little or no info on how to use it:blast

I guess I'll need some cables too....red, white and yellow from the vhs player and a usb plug on other end???

I don't want to spend a lot on software that will be used rarely, nor that needs a masters degree in computer geekness to understand or use:augie

what would the panel think is the best cheap solution??
many thanks
 
you see there was a simple answer.....simple enough for me, anyway!:augie

Erm, another dummie question......4.75gb seems to be a standard capacity for DVDs......but thats gives 120mins of video at "standard rates".....are there larger capacity DVDs, that would avoid picture quality degradation from ep mode (if I knew how to switch to ep mode!:o)
thanks for being gentle (ish)!
 
yup I think from memory a DVD can be made to copy up to 4 hours but the picture quality is getting rough. Remember it's GIGO garbage in garbage out and WISIWIG what you see is what you get.

:thumb2
 
I have shoot and produce video professionally so the following may be useful.

A quick look at the thread mentioned above does not really seem to answer the main problem - which is getting the VHS video into the computer.

As it's an analogue format the only way is to get a capture card which can be USB (ideal for laptop) or PCI (for tower). For limited use I would suggest a ADS Video Express USB "dongle". This has standard a/v inputs that you can connect to your video player and connects to the laptop usb port. It also comes with the relevent capture software. If you are ever likely to want to copy ONTO VHS tape the cheap devices won't wotk as they are only one way, i.e. no analogue out option.

Once you have the dongle up and running the first stage is just a case of run the software and copy the tapes onto the computer.

The copied tapes will not however be in a format suitable for DVD. Maybe you have some software installed to make DVDs but if not there is plenty around ranging from cheap and cheerful (Ulead, Pinnacle) to bloody expensive (Adobe Encore). Although Encore does a great job and has lots of bells and whistles, they will all do simple DVDs OK.

The copied video can take up a lot of room in standard Mcirosoft AVI and it's tempting to copy as MPG which takes up about 10th of the space. There are a couple of problems with using MPG though, there is a lot more processing needed while capturing and its possible the computer won't keep up and, if you want to do any edits to the file before making a DVD, MPG is harder to edit properly.

Regarding capacity, while it's true that 2 hours is the most you will get at anything approaching DVD quality remember that VHS is FAR short of DVD quality and the analogue capture system is likely to reduce the quality a little more and there is no way to make poor quality better so it's no problem cramming a lot more than two hours on a disc. Two other answers are use two layer discs or split the recordings. Two layer discs will not work on all DVD players so its worth checking one before doing a lot of work. Sometimes a DVD player will not find the second layer at all or may hang at the changeover point. Splitting the VHS tapes is the easier answer. Just capture as two separate files and make seperate DVDs.

I note comments on copy protection on the other thread but forget it. Both digital and analogue protection is easy to break and adding it is not an option when making discs on a PC.
 
Erm, another dummie question......4.75gb seems to be a standard capacity for DVDs......but thats gives 120mins of video at "standard rates".....are there larger capacity DVDs, that would avoid picture quality degradation from ep mode (if I knew how to switch to ep mode!:o)
thanks for being gentle (ish)!

Yes.
















However, they require an different DVD recorder, either HDDVD (15Gb) or BluRay (30Gb). HDDVD is now an obsolete video format, so you'll need a BluRay recorder, that will do 47 hrs of standard definition.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2005/09/15/samsung-has-a-new-blu-ray/
How much? Too much.

You get 1 - 6hrs on a 4.7Gb DVD and even a ELP (6hr) recording is better than much VHS. VHS was an awful system, the recording quality was poor and was appalling when you tried to copy. A 3rd generation tape was barely watchable.
A transferred 3hr VHS to DVD is no worse than the original. If you can play the tape from a very good player with a TBC, and if you can adjust the tracking, the black and video levels and avoid too much sharpness, you can make the best of a bad lot.
 
I have shoot and produce video professionally so the following may be useful.

A quick look at the thread mentioned above does not really seem to answer the main problem - which is getting the VHS video into the computer.

As it's an analogue format the only way is to get a capture card which can be USB (ideal for laptop) or PCI (for tower). For limited use I would suggest a ADS Video Express USB "dongle". This has standard a/v inputs that you can connect to your video player and connects to the laptop usb port. It also comes with the relevent capture software. If you are ever likely to want to copy ONTO VHS tape the cheap devices won't wotk as they are only one way, i.e. no analogue out option.

Once you have the dongle up and running the first stage is just a case of run the software and copy the tapes onto the computer.

The copied tapes will not however be in a format suitable for DVD. Maybe you have some software installed to make DVDs but if not there is plenty around ranging from cheap and cheerful (Ulead, Pinnacle) to bloody expensive (Adobe Encore). Although Encore does a great job and has lots of bells and whistles, they will all do simple DVDs OK.

The copied video can take up a lot of room in standard Mcirosoft AVI and it's tempting to copy as MPG which takes up about 10th of the space. There are a couple of problems with using MPG though, there is a lot more processing needed while capturing and its possible the computer won't keep up and, if you want to do any edits to the file before making a DVD, MPG is harder to edit properly.

Regarding capacity, while it's true that 2 hours is the most you will get at anything approaching DVD quality remember that VHS is FAR short of DVD quality and the analogue capture system is likely to reduce the quality a little more and there is no way to make poor quality better so it's no problem cramming a lot more than two hours on a disc. Two other answers are use two layer discs or split the recordings. Two layer discs will not work on all DVD players so its worth checking one before doing a lot of work. Sometimes a DVD player will not find the second layer at all or may hang at the changeover point. Splitting the VHS tapes is the easier answer. Just capture as two separate files and make seperate DVDs.

I note comments on copy protection on the other thread but forget it. Both digital and analogue protection is easy to break and adding it is not an option when making discs on a PC.


thanks for that comprehensive reply!:clap
had a look at ads website and their video express card...cannot buy from them direct for this it seems, (UK site ha nowt on it had to go to US site for that)and not sure it will run on vista, so asked them!
pc world have it but their techie page says it will only burn onto somehting called videocd, it does have a dvdexpress package that seems to be nearer altho more costly (of course!)
will wander up to local pc world and see whats in the box, I will still need an interconnect lead, red white and yellow male at both ends to connect the kit up it seems....all for a few old tapes!
maybe I'll see if I connect up DVD recorder to vcr I can do it that way!:augie
 
However, they require an different DVD recorder, either HDDVD (15Gb) or BluRay (30Gb). HDDVD is now an obsolete video format, so you'll need a BluRay recorder, that will do 47 hrs of standard definition.

It is not a case of needing a different player to get a higher capacity. This seems to ignore the double layer DVD discs which are essentially the same capacity as "proper" DVDs and double that of standard burnable discs. Most modern PC burners can handle these but, as noted above, not all DVD players will play both layers. One of mine plays them quite happily but another doesn't. For this reason I never supply them to clients but happily use them for personal archiving.

had a look at ads website and their video express card...cannot buy from them direct for this it seems, (UK site ha nowt on it had to go to US site for that)and not sure it will run on vista, so asked them!
pc world have it but their techie page says it will only burn onto somehting called videocd, it does have a dvdexpress package that seems to be nearer altho more costly (of course!)

I got one in PC World as I needed something cheap for occasional use on my laptop. As usual the guy you spoke to in PC World is talking bollocks. VideoCD is a very old format which, if my memory serves me correctly, gives a 360 X 288 pixel output (1/4 screen) which can cram a bit of video on a CD. ADS dongle will capture a full 720 X 576 PAL resolution and is recognised as a Windows capture device in most video editing programs.

Whether it is 100% Vista compatible, I don't know. Having used Vista for a couple of weeks I did what many people seem to do - went back to XP. Too many problems in Vista with little or no advantages apart from lots of eye candy that slows the system down.

Re connecting cables. As the French landed the EU with the bloody aweful SCART plug we can't like the rest of the world use nice standard hooks ups to our Video kit but a scart to standard A/V phono plugs should not set you back more than a fiver but make sure its SCART to A/V, not A/V to scart. Some are switchable on the scart plug but most are not. The other option is get an adapter which has scart on one side and phono sockets on the other then use phono to phono leads. Again they are IN or OUT although you can find them with both.

To complicate things a little more, many VCRs will output S-Video through their SCART socket or have a Mini-DIN S-Video out. The ADS dongle can also input S-Video which keeps the quality up a bit. Then you need a scart to S-Video + phono audio (easy to find in places like Richer counds) or if you have S Video out plus left/right phono out on your VCR you just need S-Video to S-video and a standard stereo phono lead.
 
It is not a case of needing a different player to get a higher capacity. This seems to ignore the double layer DVD discs which are essentially the same capacity as "proper" DVDs and double that of standard burnable discs. Most modern PC burners can handle these but, as noted above, not all DVD players will play both layers. One of mine plays them quite happily but another doesn't. For this reason I never supply them to clients but happily use them for personal archiving.



I got one in PC World as I needed something cheap for occasional use on my laptop. As usual the guy you spoke to in PC World is talking bollocks. VideoCD is a very old format which, if my memory serves me correctly, gives a 360 X 288 pixel output (1/4 screen) which can cram a bit of video on a CD. ADS dongle will capture a full 720 X 576 PAL resolution and is recognised as a Windows capture device in most video editing programs.

Whether it is 100% Vista compatible, I don't know. Having used Vista for a couple of weeks I did what many people seem to do - went back to XP. Too many problems in Vista with little or no advantages apart from lots of eye candy that slows the system down.

Re connecting cables. As the French landed the EU with the bloody aweful SCART plug we can't like the rest of the world use nice standard hooks ups to our Video kit but a scart to standard A/V phono plugs should not set you back more than a fiver but make sure its SCART to A/V, not A/V to scart. Some are switchable on the scart plug but most are not. The other option is get an adapter which has scart on one side and phono sockets on the other then use phono to phono leads. Again they are IN or OUT although you can find them with both.

To complicate things a little more, many VCRs will output S-Video through their SCART socket or have a Mini-DIN S-Video out. The ADS dongle can also input S-Video which keeps the quality up a bit. Then you need a scart to S-Video + phono audio (easy to find in places like Richer counds) or if you have S Video out plus left/right phono out on your VCR you just need S-Video to S-video and a standard stereo phono lead.

so, down to pc world, exchange moolah for ads dongle, plus connecting cable call on my mate to steal, er, borrow a copy of pinnacle:augie
thanks for answering (and being so patient!):beerjug:
 


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