cornering

Yes i have a slight sense of anxiousity towards scrapping my right hand foot-peg. Always tend to concentrate more when really heeling it over on right side.
 
I think it has to do with run off room.

In right handers you run out of road very quickly. In left handers you get the other carriage way if you feck up. Just hope its clear!
 
Og Throws hat in ring / spanner in works :D

go to a car park.
ride round at low speed in ever decreasing circles.
clockwise for a while / anti clockwise for a while.
Not for long in either direction coz you WILL get dizzy and you WILL fall off. :pullface

now,
what was easiest / could you do the tightest (full lock?) / felt the most comfy?

the point;
it shows you your strengths / weaknesses / preferences.

now,
practice til you get as good in either direction. :thumb2
or,
seek professional help :thumb2 ..... take that as you will. :augie :D
 
Always ground away more bits of the bike on right handers meself. Plenty of roundabouts to practice on I guess :augie
 
Ogmios said:
Og Throws hat in ring / spanner in works :D

go to a car park.
ride round at low speed in ever decreasing circles.
clockwise for a while / anti clockwise for a while.
Not for long in either direction coz you WILL get dizzy and you WILL fall off. :pullface

now,
what was easiest / could you do the tightest (full lock?) / felt the most comfy?

the point;
it shows you your strengths / weaknesses / preferences.

now,
practice til you get as good in either direction. :thumb2
or,
seek professional help :thumb2 ..... take that as you will. :augie :D
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Interesting post Marc, however I believe it's easier to ride in a small slow circle to the right as the throttle is closer to your right hand and the rear brake lever is also on that side, wheras turning to the left your throttle arm is fully extended so its harder to control.... My word this is getting a bit anal, I will get my coat....

Left, right I don't think for me there is any difference, going out today in the rain (probably) so will report back:aidan
 
You could try these guys:

http://www.superbikeschool.com/

Been 3 times myself, schools in US, UK, Oz, and occasional schools in other locations around the globe (SA, Dubai and more)

If that is a bit steep get the DVD (or books, but new DVD is very good)

http://www.superbikeschool.com/multi-media/keiths-videos.php

This really does answer a lot of common questions and identifies bad habbits and how to cure them, for the cost it is good value and almost everyone should get something out of it.

90% applies to the road, or 100% if you think your Rossi and hang off everywhere on the roads, guessing that won't be applicable to the majority on BM owners, but who knows?
 
I'm right handed, and I "feel" better on left handers than right. Off road as well as on, so nothing to do with side of the road.
Used to waterski competitively, and raced Jet-skis, during both of which I was better at left turns than rights. :nenau
Mark
 
Don't go there....

Tilly said:
To countersteer or not to countersteer, that is the question??????????:toungincheek
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I had a barney with my IAM observer about this subject...he stated, I qoute "Counter steering is only used in an emergency or on a race track"...after that I gave the IAM a miss.....:D
 
Mick_rw said:
I had a barney with my IAM observer about this subject...he stated, I qoute "Counter steering is only used in an emergency or on a race track"...after that I gave the IAM a miss.....:D
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Well the level of IAM observers must be very high if this twat got through it

In fact if an instructor held this line of talk with me I would unfortunately have to tell him he was ill informed.....
 
Only just caught this thread...

I was a full time instructor for many years and previously a courier and latterly worked for a BMW dealer. I, like many folk here, learnt to ride by riding, not talking a good fight. I have heard a great amount of bollocks talked about such things as countersteering, much of it by people who don't have a f'ing clue.

I used to make a point of teaching "it" and many other "real world" riding techniques that might keep them alive rather than being the correct "system" or what was in some advanced training book.

Everyone countersteers whether they think they do or not and knowing that they do and how they do it is a big bit of making the bike corner safely especially when things may not be going quite to plan. Same with emergency braking, correct gears, what sort of bends/corners, filtering etc, etc, etc.

I have met a few very good people involved with advanced groups and a few good police riders etc but I have also met many who haven't the 1st f'ing clue and I wouldn't trust them to steer a shopping trolly. All the books and the "systems" in the world can't make a good rider if they are not working at it. AND that includes many of the DSA mob.

That's why you can tell a good rider by seeing them ride rather than listening to how good they are:augie

I have to say, I don't mind talking bikes but I don't do groups or the hi viz brigade en mass.
Once did a track day but to be honest I missed the other traffic and all that other road "fun".

PS Used to be right handers due to roundabouts being the most fun bit of London but now they are equal.:D:thumb
 
richie said:
Well the level of IAM observers must be very high if this twat got through it

In fact if an instructor held this line of talk with me I would unfortunately have to tell him he was ill informed.....
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Also I once sat in on an inquest (approx 2003) for a M/bike fatality and heard a DSA area manager state categorically that in her opinion, as an experienced biker, she "didn't think countersteering existed"! Un-fing believable. After that I couldnt have given a shit about what they thought. Living in the dark ages:mad:
 
Perhaps "s/he" is right!

Mick_rw said:
I had a barney with my IAM observer about this subject...he stated, I quote, "Counter steering is only used in an emergency or on a race track"........:D
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We may all have misjudged the Observer/DSA expert biker here ............................. he/she may never have got above tiller steering speeds.

All the best, Jim.
 
Rasher said:
Check this out, proof positive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_A8k58ysSw

Eveidence starts at 1.00 exactly :thumb2
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Shit hot video and not a hi viz or patronising pitch in sight!

I used to demo gyro effects and countersteering on a large carpark. Speed up to about 30mph and release grip on bars... bike carries on straight and as speed decreases it will change from remaining upright to lurching left and right as "steering" takes over ie. parking manouvres etc when the bike tries harder to fall over. Above that speed countersteering is increasingly needed.

Or ride along your own private road (:)) at reasonable speed and lift your feet off the footpegs and lightly push or pull bars.... Push left or pull right and the bike LEANS left and visa versa.

Bikes lean to go around corners and as you go quicker you have to countersteer to make the bike LEAN. You can push on footrests or lean body weight etc like the video but this only HELPS with countersteering being primary.

As I used to say, " no legs and you can get round the corner, no arms and you don't"

Countersteering and entering corners too fast/wrong gear are THE primary reasons why bikers crash on corners. It is usually VERY serious and if you run wide over the white line on leftys you need to ask yourself some serious Q's before a truck meets you one day. You fck up, run wide, panic and steer rather than countersteer, bike sits up and heart exits though mouth. Now the funny thing is you can fck up, start running wide and rescue WITH countersteer.

I could not understand why I wasn't supposed to teach countersteering when it is so fundamental especially on bigger and/or sportier bikes. How can instructors/trainers not actually teach you to have such understanding when they can be following and see you getting out of shape.

Yes and this is all real world experience rather than knowing what is on p37 of some book!


:)You should be able to imagine a £5 note mid corner on a good line and trust youself to be able to hit it every time and if it turns out to be a house brick you should be able to avoid it.:thumb
 
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