Agreed, nice hotel, good food, ideally located for ride outs, not cheap but probably worth it
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Agreed, nice hotel, good food, ideally located for ride outs, not cheap but probably worth it
Agreed, nice hotel, good food, ideally located for ride outs, not cheap but probably worth it
Don't complain. You got upgraded an a very exclusive room service
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Again thanks for all the tips for my two week jaunt , looks like i will need a few extra layers as it seems it could be colder than the usual French Alps Jun/July weather... keep planning.
Usually ride in summer mesh gear with a couple of extra layers ( gortex pac-lite jacket and micro fleeces ) looking at the ride reports it seems you all have winter kit on , is it that chilly in September as i dont want to buy more touring kit , blimey
Again thanks for all the tips for my two week jaunt , looks like i will need a few extra layers as it seems it could be colder than the usual French Alps Jun/July weather... keep planning.
Usually ride in summer mesh gear with a couple of extra layers ( gortex pac-lite jacket and micro fleeces ) looking at the ride reports it seems you all have winter kit on , is it that chilly in September as i dont want to buy more touring kit , blimey
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Stick,
Can be very changeable,we had temps in 70 s and as low as 4 on Falzareggo and Giau Passes. We sat looking at it raining early morning one day clearly snowing on the high Peaks. As soon as it eased we suited and booted and went for a play. As it cleared the views were beyond beautiful. Jaw dropping. Rifugios mostly open on all the main peaks for a warm up. Other than that excellent weather.
August 2nd and third weeks in 2011. Nearly wall to wall sunshine, one days monsoon rain,still went out. We decided on Bike jacket no lining and layers. Julie and I have top boxes and I very often leave panniers on for chucking gear in if too hot or when shopping. Also found a site which gave road closure info and weather updates for region.Will see if i can locate again.
Enjoy your planning.
Andrew
Can be very changeable,we had temps in 70 s and as low as 4 on Falzareggo and Giau Passes. We sat looking at it raining early morning one day clearly snowing on the high Peaks. As soon as it eased we suited and booted and went for a play. As it cleared the views were beyond beautiful. Jaw dropping. Rifugios mostly open on all the main peaks for a warm up. Other than that excellent weather.
August 2nd and third weeks in 2011. Nearly wall to wall sunshine, one days monsoon rain,still went out. We decided on Bike jacket no lining and layers. Julie and I have top boxes and I very often leave panniers on for chucking gear in if too hot or when shopping. Also found a site which gave road closure info and weather updates for region.Will see if i can locate again.
Enjoy your planning.
Andrew
Andrew thanks for advice - seems that i worry too much but only wish a good two weeks as i am the one planning and do not wish to let them down.
We usually go in the June/July time to France and Spain so have only experienced that weather , which has always been bloody hot so mesh gear always worked even when up at 2700m at 6 degs our gear was fine , oooooooooo i do worry
Hi Stick,
Don't worry about letting the crew down. There is nothing you can do to alter the weather, for better or worse.
You could go one year and it'll be fine, then another year it'll be dull. You have chosen the weeks to go away and they've agreed to trog along. Simple as that. September will be fine.......... Most possibly
Don't worry about letting the crew down. There is nothing you can do to alter the weather, for better or worse.
You could go one year and it'll be fine, then another year it'll be dull. You have chosen the weeks to go away and they've agreed to trog along. Simple as that. September will be fine.......... Most possibly
Hi Stick,
The roads were quieter but more of a joy in September. Remember when planning to allow a little stop and photo time. So much to enjoy. My first trip there was a pass bagging mission,did the 17pass in a day John Hermann trip. Epic and tiring. 3 men 9 day trip and about 23 photos between us. My brother in law when he see`s our photos from 2010 and 2011 says God did we really go there.Still he and i were on a mission. That also was an epic trip in 1st week June 2003.
Might even post you a few exciter photos.
Andrew
The roads were quieter but more of a joy in September. Remember when planning to allow a little stop and photo time. So much to enjoy. My first trip there was a pass bagging mission,did the 17pass in a day John Hermann trip. Epic and tiring. 3 men 9 day trip and about 23 photos between us. My brother in law when he see`s our photos from 2010 and 2011 says God did we really go there.Still he and i were on a mission. That also was an epic trip in 1st week June 2003.
Might even post you a few exciter photos.
Andrew
AlanI
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With this in mind, just a reminder for those members using BaseCamp to plan their 2013 trips and routes that it is possible to enter the amount of time that you want to stop at any particular Waypoint say and BaseCamp will show you the arrival time. Quite useful if you want to arrive somewhere before dark. This isn't a good description I know so here's a couple of examples.
With MapSource one could plan a route and in the Route Properties box it would give you a total journey time depending on how you had set up your vehicle profiles and road speeds etc.
Tapping in a destination on the Zumo 660 say, or sending a route from MapSource to the device, would also show you the arrival time in the bottom right/left hand boxes if set to show this. This method updates on the fly, however, depending on several factors i.e. how long you stopped on route and traffic jams slowing your journey etc. so isn't very useful from a planning point of view.
In BaseCamp, however, one can plan a route going from A > D with Waypoints of B and C along the way which may be places you want to take a break or a particular site you want to view etc.
With the route planned, double-clicking on the route in the bottom left panel of BaseCamp will open the Properties box for that route. Double-clicking once again on point A (the point of departure) it is possible to enter a time of departure. The arrival time at point D will now update automatically. Double-clicking on points B and C it is possible to either enter a departure time or a layover time i.e. how long you intend stopping at that point in minutes. Once again, the arrival time at point D will auto update.
On a relative short journey with say one 15 minute convenience stop then yes, I agree, it's a straight forward thing to simply add 15 minutes to your journey.
I've used this facility in BaseCamp several times now for intended long journey days/routes and once or twice had to rethink the lengths of my intended stops to arrive at my destination at a reasonable time e.g. the bar is still open.
Taster Photos For Stick
Stick,
Some more taster ,Dolomites Photos From First week in June 2002,
Rolle Pass
Giau Pass
Pordoi Pass
Somewhere
On the way home.
Went to do Stelvio but was under Snow so re routed and picked up the Jaufen Pass lovely road. Think these pics are from there but not completely sure.
Also on our return we had a couple of days around and on the Spluggen Pass,out of Chiavenna staying at Hotel Oriental
Top of Splugen Pass
You can see weather contrast, shirt sleeves and re hydrating and others where we need to get gloves on quick
Andrew
Stick,
Some more taster ,Dolomites Photos From First week in June 2002,
Rolle Pass
Giau Pass
Pordoi Pass
Somewhere
On the way home.
Went to do Stelvio but was under Snow so re routed and picked up the Jaufen Pass lovely road. Think these pics are from there but not completely sure.
Also on our return we had a couple of days around and on the Spluggen Pass,out of Chiavenna staying at Hotel Oriental
Top of Splugen Pass
You can see weather contrast, shirt sleeves and re hydrating and others where we need to get gloves on quick
Andrew
God
Think i love this site more than my bike --oooooooooooooer
n To all you posters 
Think i love this site more than my bike --oooooooooooooer
n To all you posters Planning now well underway. It seems you are spoilt for choice in the Dolomites, assuming decent weather I quite fancy a nice gentle run based around the figure eight to start with, then maybe a big pass-bagging run based around the 17 passes Herman trip, this leaves me a spare day to fill in.
My shorter day is an easy one, around a few passes with a lunch at Misurina, I can also cut this run down if the weather is dodgy and make up a route of 1,2, or 3 hours to fit in with whatever time / weather I have available on any day. This should be about 4 hours in the saddle, an hour and a half taking pictures and gawping at views and an hour for lunch.
The "Big" run will take in about 10 passes that for the most part aren't on my little day out, I could add a couple more in perhaps, especially if the weather on other days has not been kind and I have some catching up to do. This is not really a huge day out thanks to the way the passes are tightly packed around here, probably 5 hours in the saddle, but this leaves plenty of time for stopping, or even re-riding some sections.
I can also tick off a pass or two on the way in from the Timmelsjoch, and the way out to Austria.
I have got the routes so far planned in Mapsource and Tyre.
I started with Mapsource as I have a file with 300+ passes, I first off deleted any outside of the area I am travelling.
Then for the passes I wanted on each trip I put a marker to each side of the pass (either East / West or North / South)
I then make a list of the passes in a trip and which way they run (E-W / N-S) and then just add in the relevant waypoints. Using 3 points for a pass stops the Garmin deciding it is quicker to go around the mountain on the motorway and then up to the summit from the far side before turning you around - it also ensures I know when I hit the first pass waypoint that there are two more to come and if Mr Garmin wants me to turn arounf he can f*** right off, I can just cary on until he gets the hint and picks up the next waypoint.
I have also added road numbers to the Waypoints for an extra layer of comfort and to help if I want to get a real map out to compare. I can also quickly and easily change routes, or create new ones to suit the conditions. Note also waypoints each side of Hotel, it stops the Garmin getting confused and telling me I have arrived at my destination as I pull out of the car park.
I finalise the routes using Tyre as the maps in tyre are far clearer and it is easier to spot any mistakes (such as where you may double back on yourself - a classic if you drop a marker on the wrong side of a dual carriageway)
I think I have also got the speed set about right for me on Garmin with it estimating 30-35mph averages on the mountain routes, which equates to a shade below what I average in good conditions, and probably a shade above what I will manage if it is horrible. Stop planning is easy, about 15-20 minutes every hour seems about right for me on scenic routes in nice weather, with 45 -60 minutes for lunch, but I get my head down if it is crap.
Roll on July
My shorter day is an easy one, around a few passes with a lunch at Misurina, I can also cut this run down if the weather is dodgy and make up a route of 1,2, or 3 hours to fit in with whatever time / weather I have available on any day. This should be about 4 hours in the saddle, an hour and a half taking pictures and gawping at views and an hour for lunch.
The "Big" run will take in about 10 passes that for the most part aren't on my little day out, I could add a couple more in perhaps, especially if the weather on other days has not been kind and I have some catching up to do. This is not really a huge day out thanks to the way the passes are tightly packed around here, probably 5 hours in the saddle, but this leaves plenty of time for stopping, or even re-riding some sections.
I can also tick off a pass or two on the way in from the Timmelsjoch, and the way out to Austria.
I have got the routes so far planned in Mapsource and Tyre.
I started with Mapsource as I have a file with 300+ passes, I first off deleted any outside of the area I am travelling.
Then for the passes I wanted on each trip I put a marker to each side of the pass (either East / West or North / South)
I then make a list of the passes in a trip and which way they run (E-W / N-S) and then just add in the relevant waypoints. Using 3 points for a pass stops the Garmin deciding it is quicker to go around the mountain on the motorway and then up to the summit from the far side before turning you around - it also ensures I know when I hit the first pass waypoint that there are two more to come and if Mr Garmin wants me to turn arounf he can f*** right off, I can just cary on until he gets the hint and picks up the next waypoint.
I have also added road numbers to the Waypoints for an extra layer of comfort and to help if I want to get a real map out to compare. I can also quickly and easily change routes, or create new ones to suit the conditions. Note also waypoints each side of Hotel, it stops the Garmin getting confused and telling me I have arrived at my destination as I pull out of the car park.
I finalise the routes using Tyre as the maps in tyre are far clearer and it is easier to spot any mistakes (such as where you may double back on yourself - a classic if you drop a marker on the wrong side of a dual carriageway)
I think I have also got the speed set about right for me on Garmin with it estimating 30-35mph averages on the mountain routes, which equates to a shade below what I average in good conditions, and probably a shade above what I will manage if it is horrible. Stop planning is easy, about 15-20 minutes every hour seems about right for me on scenic routes in nice weather, with 45 -60 minutes for lunch, but I get my head down if it is crap.
Roll on July
Tusky
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Looks good Rasher 
If your ever at a loose end and the weather is perfect, Val de Funes is worth a visit. IMO one of the best views in the Dolomites
If your ever at a loose end and the weather is perfect, Val de Funes is worth a visit. IMO one of the best views in the Dolomites
Looks good Rasher
If your ever at a loose end and the weather is perfect, Val de Funes is worth a visit. IMO one of the best views in the Dolomites
I agree & found it by chance in 2011
Stayed Here
Stayed her for few days a couple of years ago. great place with a superb moto-garage under the hotel.
Great food on the terrace - and right in the centre of Arabba.
www.albergopordoi.it/.
Cheers............................Grizzly
Stayed her for few days a couple of years ago. great place with a superb moto-garage under the hotel.
Great food on the terrace - and right in the centre of Arabba.
www.albergopordoi.it/.
Cheers............................Grizzly
I think I will be running across Val de Funes on my way in, I have attached my routes to the Dolomites below:
Andermatt to Bormio has so many options, if the weather is fantastic I may run the Splugen, but it is a very slow pass in places and hard work on the Italian side so most likely will take the fast (underated) Julier instead. The main goal is to get over the Gavia and stop just before the Stelvio, taking the San Bernadino will also add another new pass to my list.
Crap weather will be over the Oberalp, across the Julier and probably take sanctuary in Livigno for the night (and for some duty free fuel)
The following day should see me tick the Timmelsjoch of my bucket list, and complete 17 of the 20 highest passes in the Alps for me - with the Dolomites and Austria completing the top 20 over the next week
Again there are a number of options, one of which is to run over the TJ, turn around before the toll booth (It is at the start of the pass on the Austrian side) and run the pass the other way, this is quicker than going around the Brenner pass - and adds the Jaufenpass at the expense of the Kuhtaisattel. Crap weather would mean bypassing the TJ altogether, but it would have to be bad to stop me ticking a top 10 highest pass and a very highly rated ride off my list (one of only 15 two start rated passes in Hermans book - out of 322 listed passes)
I think the Worzjoch is in Val de Funes
Andermatt to Bormio has so many options, if the weather is fantastic I may run the Splugen, but it is a very slow pass in places and hard work on the Italian side so most likely will take the fast (underated) Julier instead. The main goal is to get over the Gavia and stop just before the Stelvio, taking the San Bernadino will also add another new pass to my list.
Crap weather will be over the Oberalp, across the Julier and probably take sanctuary in Livigno for the night (and for some duty free fuel)
The following day should see me tick the Timmelsjoch of my bucket list, and complete 17 of the 20 highest passes in the Alps for me - with the Dolomites and Austria completing the top 20 over the next week
Again there are a number of options, one of which is to run over the TJ, turn around before the toll booth (It is at the start of the pass on the Austrian side) and run the pass the other way, this is quicker than going around the Brenner pass - and adds the Jaufenpass at the expense of the Kuhtaisattel. Crap weather would mean bypassing the TJ altogether, but it would have to be bad to stop me ticking a top 10 highest pass and a very highly rated ride off my list (one of only 15 two start rated passes in Hermans book - out of 322 listed passes)
I think the Worzjoch is in Val de Funes
DaveP
Registered user
Going the Dolomites for the first time in september and this view looks fantastic, any more info ???. ie is it a thru road to somewhere or do you stop look and turn round.Looks good Rasher
If your ever at a loose end and the weather is perfect, Val de Funes is worth a visit. IMO one of the best views in the Dolomites
Thanks Dave.
Tusky
Registered user
Looks excellent Rasher and yes Worzjock is in the Val de Funes
Dave and Rasher.... The village and church you see is in the village of Santa Maddalena which comes to a dead end...... I will do a google map close up of the view points when I get a chance, as the double back onto the pass road is a little unusual if you're not expecting it.... in fact, lot of peeps miss it altogether
Dave and Rasher.... The village and church you see is in the village of Santa Maddalena which comes to a dead end...... I will do a google map close up of the view points when I get a chance, as the double back onto the pass road is a little unusual if you're not expecting it.... in fact, lot of peeps miss it altogether
Tusky
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Whilst I remember the Segonzano Pyramids are worth a look if you're passing, you can view from a small road above the village for free (beware of the camber where you park) or stop at the cafe, pay and walk up the hill.
It did not total blow me away but they are an amazing natural phenomena
Google photo link.....
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Segonzano&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=UjDvUMeeE8-S0QWF9oDoBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=644
I can mark on a map the high viewing road if you like
It did not total blow me away but they are an amazing natural phenomena
Google photo link.....
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Segonzano&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=UjDvUMeeE8-S0QWF9oDoBA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=644
I can mark on a map the high viewing road if you like
I can mark on a map the high viewing road if you like
Yes please, or just sat-nav co-ordinates
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