The issue with your question (now it is much clearer) is that the owners manual warns agains riding the bike on the road in enduro mode as it will adversely affect the handling.
Dynamic Pro vs Enduro Pro
- Thread starter tonkatoy
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See the post , 6 back
Tractive suspension will only improve on what's there, it won't create new settings.
On my bike when in rain mode has very good supple suspension, unfortunately I am stuck with rain throttle response, I also have Tractive suspension but it won't fix this.
But you can alter , preload , hi and low compression setting etc , so you can dial in a better version of the the standard . Must admit tho I ride with the harder settings .To add the tractive method of fluid transfer is way way better than standard restricted system which gets hot , etc etc .
Sorry got to add , why are you using rain mode , what’s wrong with your ability to judge . Only asking as used it once , once only as it was on the menu , didn’t like it so pass now on the selection , if you have made the decision to spend 2k plus on suspension, you do not need rain mode .......
Unless going offroad, I just leave engine mode in Dynamic Pro all the time. I do switch suspension between Road and Dynamic depending on conditions. I manually adjusted the Pro settings once and have left it since.
Easy to have too many adjustable settings. Easier to just ride around any minuscule differences.
Easy to have too many adjustable settings. Easier to just ride around any minuscule differences.
Don't criticise something you know nothing about. My judgement is fine thanks it has managed, so far, to get me through 45yrs of road riding and 20 yrs of tearing round race tracks in the UK and across Europe. I have had Ohlins, Nitron and even Hagon shocks on all sorts of bikes and I do know how to set up suspension and when to use what settings.
The main reason for me getting the Tractive suspension is because I do a lot of two up touring and the standard shock was useless fully loaded. I weigh 11stone so don't give the suspension a hard time when solo, this means that in rain mode the suspension would be similar to a 15 stone rider using road mode.
When on boys and toys trips in the mountains we ride a lot of the tight twisty stuff that often has poor surface conditions and with my weight rain mode works a treat, it soaks up all the bumps with out the wallowing that a heavier rider would experience. When the road opens out and the conditions improve a couple of prods on the button and away we go in a different mode.
Maybe I am the lucky one that can make use of all that I paid for.
Unless the 1250 is different from my old 1200 once you select enduro and enduro pro you lose cruise contrl, also rain mode does not mean less power it just gives a softer throttle response and more electronic assistance
On the latest self levelling suspension models there are two stock suspension settings - Road and Dynamic. If you set the throttle mode to Rain you do NOT get the comfort settings that used to be present on the original Dynamic ESA. You get the Road setting. This was IMHO a backward step as the road suspension mode doesn’t work - if you go over uneven surfaces it sets up an undulating, seasick response. Dynamic is better but too firm for most roads for me. With the previous version, choosing Rain mode meant Comfort, Road was Normal and Dynamic was Hard - for me this worked better.
Exactly, my gripe from the off with the D-ESA. If the base setting for ROAD damping had a little more rebound damping it would be much better. For me the ROAD damping in all three modes does not work, effectively reducing it to three useable settings, with aftermarket shocks the damping can be adjusted to suit the rider. The D-ESA will still adjust the damping to same difference in settings as before.
Whoever signed off the suspension with the worst setting (Road mode/Road damping) as the default setting should be made to ride the bike around the Welsh valley roads. Maybe he would make some changes.
Rain and road have different settings , weight does not make a difference . The shocks will still compress / rebound the same (per mode ) as the esa self levels the preload to suit the rider . The tractive units allow you to set the system better . I ride the valley roads most weekends ( well until recently) and rain does not work as it’s to soft . That is dependant if your crusing tho to be fair , start pushing and it ties it’s self in knots . Tractive (front and rear) with rider preferred hi and low settings , spring weight and set up right , ie spring free length at say 11mm pre preload works great . Thus allowing a road suspension mode setup with dynamic mode together work really well and soaks up all the Welsh roads can thro at it . IMHO of course , but I have messed about setting up over many rides and surfaces . Spain for example works better on full Dynamic with extra low speed .
As I said before weight makes a difference because, at 11st, I am not heavy enough to activate the auto preload even with a drybag strapped on the back, therefore my weight will not trouble the damping as much as a 15st rider. As such rain mode with dynamic damping worked suprisingly well riding down the Elan valley, better than road/dynamic that would have me up off the seat all the time. I have not yet been to Wales since the TT suspension has been fitted so have yet to feel the difference.
If you set up the suspension in Wales it will work anywhere.
The TT will be a great addition for you , a great system , as tractive use Componants that are far better than the standard stuff , also larger pistons , rods , more fluid and great adjustments . The bike is dialed in so well for Wales and as you say it works for most cases now , and I’m well happy . I’m not totally sure but I think the TT is more sensitive to weight so it should adjust the preload for you .
The only issue I had was my fault taking off too much high speed and it knocked the reservoir bottle on the frame , but it was a big land on a switch back lane , dialled back up now , perfect no bad landings . With both front and rear TT you really can feel the tyres digging into the roads showing contact is maximum thro all situations .if I ruffled you earlier I did not mean to , sorry .
Yep that's why I upgraded to tractive , shame as the 16 plate I had was better standard than the new system fitted to the later bikes , for me well worth the upgrade as you get so much more .
Try it down the Elan Valley!
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