F650, learner legal?

[The Other PaulG]

I have a mate who's just about to get into biking, do his direct access etc.

He'd like one of the F650 dervatives - I doubt these fit below the 33bhp limit, so are restricted versions available? If so, is the restriction done in such a way that it's a straightforward de-restriction job? (ie a restrictor plate, rather than a smaller carb, for instance)

He will be looking to buy in Feb, so please don't swamp me now, but if you have something to sell, do feel free to let me know in 3-4 weeks.

Cheers,

Paul G
The other

 

[Marks adventure]

Hi

My son Mozzer has bought a f650gs Dakar. he is on a restricted licence and we bought a restrictor kit for it from BMW...sit down when i tell you the price £4.67 inc vat.

On the 2002 Dakar it is a small bracket at the end of the throttle cable and a different position on the throttle body. Takes about 15 minutes to fit.

The bracket that we put on does have 25kw on it. But the insurance company do not want to see proof of fitment!

I think it is different for the twin sparks.

The Bracket on the left is the RESTRICTED ONE 25kw

There is no need to remove the carb, i just wanted to.

Here is a picture of the throttle cable in the restricted position.

Hope this information helps

 

[T900]

restrictor kit part number

by any chance do you have the part number to order the restictor kit from BMW.

 

[Davel]

Has the law changed?

I did my DA 4 years ago on an F650GS.

 

[davers]

Has the law changed?

I did my DA 4 years ago on an F650GS.

no the law hasnt changed,but if you take your test on a 125 you are restricted to 33bhp for 2 years....hence these people wanting to restrict.

you did das which is different

 

[Marks adventure]

by any chance do you have the part number to order the restictor kit from BMW.

Er no sorry But........If you go to a BMW Dealership and speak to the mechanics you will probably find that they have got one lying in the bottom of their toolbox and will give it to you.

The actual part is about £5.00 to buy new.

 

[yl100twin]

Er no sorry But........If you go to a BMW Dealership and speak to the mechanics you will probably find that they have got one lying in the bottom of their toolbox and will give it to you.

The actual part is about £5.00 to buy new.

if you did get a second hand kit, you would still have to have it fitted by a registered installer, there is paperwork to be completed and one copy is sent to dvla and bike will be listed as restricted, if you dont do it this way your bike is not legally restricted .

 

[davers]

if you did get a second hand kit, you would still have to have it fitted by a registered installer, there is paperwork to be completed and one copy is sent to dvla and bike will be listed as restricted, if you dont do it this way your bike is not legally restricted .

there is no legal requirement to prove that a bike is restricted,other than to the police if asked...this can be done by a simple dyno readout.

There is no official certificate needed by law.

 

[yl100twin]

there is no legal requirement to prove that a bike is restricted,other than to the police if asked...this can be done by a simple dyno readout.

There is no official certificate needed by law.

all kits fitted by the bike shop where i work are supplied with certificates to notify dvla, and are stamped with dealers name for notification purposes, perhaps im wrong will check tomorrow at work and post answer.

 

[davers]

all kits fitted by the bike shop where i work are supplied with certificates to notify dvla, and are stamped with dealers name for notification purposes, perhaps im wrong will check tomorrow at work and post answer.

what i mean is.....yes some kits...not all(usually F1 international ones)come with certificates,but they are not a legal requirement,some insurers ask for proof of restriction...some dont.

A friend of mine had to prove his vehicle was restricted after a bad accident and a dyno run was enough to satisfy the police,it was these same officers that told us you dont need actual proof...just to be able to prove restriction if necessary.

I too may be wrong....just passing on the info i was given.

 

[Marks adventure]

if you did get a second hand kit, you would still have to have it fitted by a registered installer, there is paperwork to be completed and one copy is sent to dvla and bike will be listed as restricted, if you dont do it this way your bike is not legally restricted .

We fitted the Kit and informed the insurance company about it, They did not want to see ANY documentation. We also contacted a friend who is a Traffic Cop and he said that there is 'No Problem' with a home fitted kit.

Whilst fitting it i did take plenty of pictures Before, During and after installation 'JUST IN CASE'.

We also kept the original bracket to replace after October this year, (this is when my son get his restriction lifted)

It does not make that much difference with the restriction fitted if you ride it like you nicked it

 

[VAL. H.]

I have a mate who's just about to get into biking, do his direct access etc.

He'd like one of the F650 dervatives - I doubt these fit below the 33bhp limit, so are restricted versions available? If so, is the restriction done in such a way that it's a straightforward de-restriction job? (ie a restrictor plate, rather than a smaller carb, for instance)

He will be looking to buy in Feb, so please don't swamp me now, but if you have something to sell, do feel free to let me know in 3-4 weeks.

Cheers,

Paul G
The other

Paul, you don't say how old your friend is.

If he is over 21 and taking his 'Direct Access' (IE: on a bike with in-excess of 46bhp) then he won't need a restrictor, or indeed have any restrictions as to what bike he wishes to ride.

DAS generaly means taking the test on a 'Big Bike' IE: no further restrictions.
Taking the test on a 125 is taking a 'Small machine test' the rider is then restricted to 33bhp for two years from the date of passing the test.

However if he is either under 21 or taking the practical test on a 125, then he will need a restrictor fitted to any bike he wishes to ride that normaly exceeds 33bhp.

As for proving the bike is restricted. As mentioned above, it's up to Plod to prove the bike's not restricted.

Hope this helps Val.

 

[yl100twin]

what i mean is.....yes some kits...not all(usually F1 international ones)come with certificates,but they are not a legal requirement,some insurers ask for proof of restriction...some dont.

A friend of mine had to prove his vehicle was restricted after a bad accident and a dyno run was enough to satisfy the police,it was these same officers that told us you dont need actual proof...just to be able to prove restriction if necessary.

I too may be wrong....just passing on the info i was given.

hi there have checked at work and between us we were right! we use F1INTRNATIONAL and they supply certificates to prove bike is restricted, certificate is signed by us and dealer stamped, 1 copy goes to F1 INTERNATIONAL(not dvla as i thought) 1 copy goes to owner of bike and they have to sign for it, 1 copy stays with dealer, i noticed that on certificate it states f1 inter will show it to crown prosecution service, police or insurance company if asked to verify bike is restricted.saves having a dyno.

 

[adrian38]

I picked up my restrictor bracket yesterday from BMW. £3.85 inc VAT.

 

[john_aero]

I picked up my restrictor bracket yesterday from BMW. £3.85 inc VAT.

easy fit and makes no diff to the performance below 90mph