H&B Bars - new design?

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Thought I'd post this as a separate thread, so apologies for repeating:

Just got my H&B bars from Nippy Normans and I was just going through the bits making sure I had everything for the weekend. I've found out however that the left/right bars are not predrilled with a hole for the grubscrew to penetrate. The connecting grubscrew (part 6) appears to have a slight 'spike' on it.

Is this a new design do you think, or do I have a duff set of bars??

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Mine

Got mine when Charley visited Williams last month as "Wunderlich" ones (but they have H & B on them:confused: ) and mine have a bolt that goes in from the back in the area of # 3 on your diagram. The bar # 7 has hole with centre bit # 1 is tapped. My impression from the fit is that it would have been easier to work from the centre bar to the other L & R protection bars.

Other than that it looks similar to mine. HTH
 
Mine were just like yours ie with a pointed grub screw. Could not be by accident - its just a way of putting a bit of "tolerance" in the fit. Even then, I had to do a fair bit of waggling around with everything loose to get them to fit. And then bolted up.
 
birdseye said:
Mine were just like yours ie with a pointed grub screw. Could not be by accident - its just a way of putting a bit of "tolerance" in the fit. Even then, I had to do a fair bit of waggling around with everything loose to get them to fit. And then bolted up.
But the pointed grubscrew just pressed up against the right/left bars that fitted into the central section yes? There were no holes drilled in the tube of the right / left bars to accept the grubscrew??

Did it result in a tight fit at these joints??
 
Got a response from H&B direct. This is a new design, no need to drill holes.....obviously some product development. The black one however is different???:confused: :D
 
I got some black H&B bars two weeks ago and they are the version that John Armstrong describes, with a bolt going into a threaded hole.

<shrug> :)
 
Just got my silver ones today, so thats one job for the weekend.

Baz
 
Fitted mine tonight took about 25 Minutes, no problems once I worked out which spacer went where.
Fitted centre bar to bike first then the outers.

My Grub screw holes were tapped BTW, althought the hole is at the rear rather than the front.

Baz
 
GSmonkey said:
But the pointed grubscrew just pressed up against the right/left bars that fitted into the central section yes? There were no holes drilled in the tube of the right / left bars to accept the grubscrew??

Did it result in a tight fit at these joints??

No holes drilled and yes there was a tight fit.

If there is variability in both the engine and the bars, they cant accurately pre drill the holes. So they use pointed grub screws that make their own indentation in the place they need to do.

If you think about it, there's lots of this sort of adjustability elsewhere. Like where the exhausts fit together for example.
 
birdseye said:
No holes drilled and yes there was a tight fit.

If there is variability in both the engine and the bars, they cant accurately pre drill the holes. So they use pointed grub screws that make their own indentation in the place they need to do.

If you think about it, there's lots of this sort of adjustability elsewhere. Like where the exhausts fit together for example.

Exhaust pipes are not load bearing structures, so pipe clamps/springs at major junctions to keep the gases in are acceptable. And as the pipes are subject to thermal cycling from minus x degrees C upto perhaps 500/600 degrees C in the header pipes it is essential to have some designed in give or they will at first deform and soon break.

Load bearing structure has to have structural integrity, and any built in flex has to be designed in, not just arrive by accident of design failure or rotten manufacturing procedures.

As the crankcase is fully machined using either jigs or cnc to locate all the drilled and tapped holes, and they then align with a jig built sub frame front and rear, I am willing to bet that the crankcase hole location is well within a hole location tolerance of perhaps 0.1 millimetres. Four thou for the metrically challenged.

However H&B are producing a not very sophisticated welded assembly of tubes and brackets and apparently cannot get the holes to align within about 2/3 mm from the pics.

It seems probable that the jigs and/or procedures they are using are inadequate for the job. So they now rely on elongated holes(no location capability until put under stress)/crushing the tube with a pointy grub screw which, among other things cannot give a solid location and will leave a good starter for rust. And once a circular structure(tube)is crushed out of round by the grub screw the inherent strengh provided by the shape goes away exponentially.

This poor approach to design can also be seen where they join the horizontal and vertical tubes by welding, and crush the end of the horizontal tube to avoid having to profile the tube end to provide a structurally sound welded joint. This is a crime against nature in any load bearing structure and would get your toy thrown out of any well scrutineered event if perpetrated on the frame structure. Just try it on a roll cage.

This design and construction is so poorly engineered and executed you should all get a no quibble refund plus a large drink to compensate for all the agro of fitting this junk.
 
Decided I probably want to fit the downpipes now I've fitted the Remus can......so the bloody H&B bars have to go.

FOR SALE
 
O dear, wanted some of these but as someone with NO skill where tools are concerned , should I buy the BMW OE guards!?will they fit better?
 
Ianmac- I'd say this is definately a "one spanner" rating from the old Haynes manuals. Just bolt it on following Clives instructions.

Remember the tip about not taking out both of the engine mounting bolts at once and I'm sure you won't go too far wrong!!
 
GSmonkey said:
Decided I probably want to fit the downpipes now I've fitted the Remus can......so the bloody H&B bars have to go.

FOR SALE

Can't get the link to work?

Its probably me being thick, any help appreciated.

Pavs:confused:
 
Think the post has been deleted - not quite sure if this is done when its sold???
 


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