paddymick said:
Now down to £279 (4 Sept 06) with 3.5% cashback if you buy via Quidco.com, so thats £270. Only comes with UK maps though, the European ones cost another £163. Still cheaper than a 2720 though.
Now down to £279 (4 Sept 06) with 3.5% cashback if you buy via Quidco.com, so thats £270. Only comes with UK maps though, the European ones cost another £163. Still cheaper than a 2720 though.
HMR
Registered user
As far as I know there are no 3D GPS-maps available nowhere. If you want 3D you should try Google Earth.Big Lad said:
Most navigators can present a perspective view of the 2D map. This is still 2D even if the ignorant GPS sales people call this 3D. It's not.
Big Lad said:
In car adaptor ??? The TTR has a Bluetooth headset so you have to use the ear piece to hear direction instructions even in the car unless some smartarsed bugger knows better
andyclift
Registered user
Rider V Garmin
I bought a Rider (when it was £600) and initially thought it was pretty good - but - soon discovered that the Bluetooth dongle was a crap way of getting the audio out. No way to power it from bike (it turns off when a charger is plugged in) and has limited battery life. No decent PC software so the only way I could route plan was use Autoroute and fiddle the output file.
Then hit the classic `it won't charge' problem and became worried about it falling off the crap bracket. Tomtom obviously realise the bracket is crap as they are now offering a free security lanyard. Ordered mine weeks ago and haven't got it yet - but the pic looks like a bit of string to tie on the bike!!
Eventually it was relegated to wife's car and bought a Garmin 2720 and fitted it to the bike using a RAM mount (a bit industrial but SOLID) and a Touratech lockable gps mount so I can stop for fuel without having to take it off the bike. This is the unit I should have bought in the first place. Easy to use, good standard 3.5 mm plug audio output, nice screen, great PC software, much easier multiple waypoint route planning, auto night colours, auto brightness and most important - in a direct comparision it comes up with better routes than the Rider. Also it doesn't go into that damned safe mode when moving or has lost sat coverage.
On the surface it costs a bit more than the Rider but the price includes full PC software (anyone tried the TomTom shareware rubbish), full European mapping and a selection of car mounts so the difference is not that great.
Mine has been used for a multi-country trip around Europe, all planned on pc, and it was brilliant.
Downsides.Only one, there is no internal battery. A minor problem but it could have been useful walking around strange towns.
I bought a Rider (when it was £600) and initially thought it was pretty good - but - soon discovered that the Bluetooth dongle was a crap way of getting the audio out. No way to power it from bike (it turns off when a charger is plugged in) and has limited battery life. No decent PC software so the only way I could route plan was use Autoroute and fiddle the output file.
Then hit the classic `it won't charge' problem and became worried about it falling off the crap bracket. Tomtom obviously realise the bracket is crap as they are now offering a free security lanyard. Ordered mine weeks ago and haven't got it yet - but the pic looks like a bit of string to tie on the bike!!
Eventually it was relegated to wife's car and bought a Garmin 2720 and fitted it to the bike using a RAM mount (a bit industrial but SOLID) and a Touratech lockable gps mount so I can stop for fuel without having to take it off the bike. This is the unit I should have bought in the first place. Easy to use, good standard 3.5 mm plug audio output, nice screen, great PC software, much easier multiple waypoint route planning, auto night colours, auto brightness and most important - in a direct comparision it comes up with better routes than the Rider. Also it doesn't go into that damned safe mode when moving or has lost sat coverage.
On the surface it costs a bit more than the Rider but the price includes full PC software (anyone tried the TomTom shareware rubbish), full European mapping and a selection of car mounts so the difference is not that great.
Mine has been used for a multi-country trip around Europe, all planned on pc, and it was brilliant.
Downsides.Only one, there is no internal battery. A minor problem but it could have been useful walking around strange towns.
windblast
Guest
Only 1 disadvantage.
I can only see one disadvantage for the TTR and that is that it doesn't do waypoints off road. But since I don't go off road it ain't a problem. Just put Pilot Roads on my GS to ensure I don't.
Apart from that that it seems pretty good.
Waterproofing works. Various downpours haven't touched it and the screen works well with gloves.
The new version 6 software allows itinerary planning (unlimited waypoints) on a PC all though the mapping detail when zooming in and out means that it helps to have a road atlas to help plan as it is a little difficult to get a good route overview. The itinerary plannining on the device works exactly the same way.
There are errors in the mapping - normally in the way junctions are layed out (priority) and I have once been routed to cross a canal on a footbridge. Good thing I was on a GS. TT website say the maps will be updated this autumn (I'm not sure if you'll have to buy the updates).
I have a ram mount and made my own adapter to fix it to the TTR holder. I haven't had a problem with the TTR jumping out of the holder but I have always put a lanyard on it to the RAM mount thumbscrew. Bit like wire locking - it shouldn't jump out but it pays to be careful. The power is wired into the the aux socket and I have had zero problems.
I don't have a problem with the bluetooth module - See below. And the battery life is sufficient for a full days riding.
The Tomtom speed camera database is poor. The one from GPSWarehouse is better, updated more often and cheaper. The other POI databases seem to be okay although I haven't used them except to find petrol stations (although some of those in the database have ceased to exist).
I have bought a device (wiring connections) called a 'Skullcandy Jacked' from AdvancedMP3warehouse which allows you to connect a MP3 player and the TTR bluetooth module to your own headphones. (I use sony's fontopia in ear sound isolating). Means I can listen to my 'tunes and the TTR instructions / speed trap warnings at the same time without resorting to complex intercom systems. You can also use it to connect mobile phones (as they do a variety of connections) in lieu of the bluetooth module. The device has a microphone and inline volume control so that you can adjust the volume of the MP3 player. I had to make a small adjustment to the connector to the bluetooth module - a plastic ring to stop the connector plug being pushed in too far - works brilliantly and cost £18 including postage!
I've tried the various Garmins and also found them excellent. What it came down to was price. For £300 I think the TTR is excellent.
I can only see one disadvantage for the TTR and that is that it doesn't do waypoints off road. But since I don't go off road it ain't a problem. Just put Pilot Roads on my GS to ensure I don't.
Apart from that that it seems pretty good.
Waterproofing works. Various downpours haven't touched it and the screen works well with gloves.
The new version 6 software allows itinerary planning (unlimited waypoints) on a PC all though the mapping detail when zooming in and out means that it helps to have a road atlas to help plan as it is a little difficult to get a good route overview. The itinerary plannining on the device works exactly the same way.
There are errors in the mapping - normally in the way junctions are layed out (priority) and I have once been routed to cross a canal on a footbridge. Good thing I was on a GS. TT website say the maps will be updated this autumn (I'm not sure if you'll have to buy the updates).
I have a ram mount and made my own adapter to fix it to the TTR holder. I haven't had a problem with the TTR jumping out of the holder but I have always put a lanyard on it to the RAM mount thumbscrew. Bit like wire locking - it shouldn't jump out but it pays to be careful. The power is wired into the the aux socket and I have had zero problems.
I don't have a problem with the bluetooth module - See below. And the battery life is sufficient for a full days riding.
The Tomtom speed camera database is poor. The one from GPSWarehouse is better, updated more often and cheaper. The other POI databases seem to be okay although I haven't used them except to find petrol stations (although some of those in the database have ceased to exist).
I have bought a device (wiring connections) called a 'Skullcandy Jacked' from AdvancedMP3warehouse which allows you to connect a MP3 player and the TTR bluetooth module to your own headphones. (I use sony's fontopia in ear sound isolating). Means I can listen to my 'tunes and the TTR instructions / speed trap warnings at the same time without resorting to complex intercom systems. You can also use it to connect mobile phones (as they do a variety of connections) in lieu of the bluetooth module. The device has a microphone and inline volume control so that you can adjust the volume of the MP3 player. I had to make a small adjustment to the connector to the bluetooth module - a plastic ring to stop the connector plug being pushed in too far - works brilliantly and cost £18 including postage!
I've tried the various Garmins and also found them excellent. What it came down to was price. For £300 I think the TTR is excellent.
JDH
Registered user
Good description of the TTR there Windblast, I wasn't aware of the new software, how can I get the version 6 please?
John
John
andyclift
Registered user
Screen Glare
I don't like the TTR but this is not just a TTR problem. Try positioning the Rider more upright so it reflects the tank rather than the sky. It's not prefect but it helps
I don't like the TTR but this is not just a TTR problem. Try positioning the Rider more upright so it reflects the tank rather than the sky. It's not prefect but it helps
windblast
Guest
New Software
Go to the Tomtom website and download the new Tomtom Home application. Go to the TTR support page to find a link. This will set up an interface on your PC which when you connect you TTR will automatically search for updates. It should automatically download and install the new version 6 if you so wish. Don't forget to back up the TTR first - it should give you that option. It then also emulates the TTR on you PC (only with it connected) for you to do route planning (itineries). TT Home also provides a much easier way to buy / install maps and POI etc.
I'm still playing with 'home' but it seems a much much better way of managing the TTR's capabilities.
Go to the Tomtom website and download the new Tomtom Home application. Go to the TTR support page to find a link. This will set up an interface on your PC which when you connect you TTR will automatically search for updates. It should automatically download and install the new version 6 if you so wish. Don't forget to back up the TTR first - it should give you that option. It then also emulates the TTR on you PC (only with it connected) for you to do route planning (itineries). TT Home also provides a much easier way to buy / install maps and POI etc.
I'm still playing with 'home' but it seems a much much better way of managing the TTR's capabilities.
JDH
Registered user
Thanks very much for the info Windblast 
JDH
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