waterhouse
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Betty Swollocks said:
When and if the ABS folds up and dies you can safely ignore it. Until then you can also ignore it - until it saves your hide.
When and if the ABS folds up and dies you can safely ignore it. Until then you can also ignore it - until it saves your hide.
Will an ABS equipped bike pass an MoT if the ABS is unserviceable?
Mike
Mike
Andy Smith
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The Adv comes with a hydraulic clutch and not a cable one.The main advantage is that there is no cable to snap on you.
dfulgosi
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Ok guys, very usefull discussion, thanks a lot..., but..., nobody knows how the system recognise the "bike not vertical"?
Mike O said:Will an ABS equipped bike pass an MoT if the ABS is unserviceable?
Mike
I believe so - provided that the brakes can produce enough stopping effort on the rolling brake tester.
Greg
Deadskin
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The ABS system works when one or both wheels lock updfulgosi said:
it dos'nt matter wether the bikes vertical or not.
All it recognizes is that the wheels are turning or not.
BTW 40 used ADV's on Mobile de site ONE had no ABS
dfulgosi
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gauloises said:
Ahaaa..., this make sense..., it was just because somebody wrote that there's no use of the ABS in turns, ...where one may need it more...!
Jimb
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dfulgosi
Matey, Your'e missing the point of the advice, you should NOT be doing braking of any kind on a bend, now I know the racers do trail a little rear on entry to a bend BUT this is on a track NOT on a road, your bike is at its most stable when on an even keel and under light acceleration, the racers line through bends is NOT repeat NOT the line on a road.
By the sound of your questions you need to consider some advanced tuition, and soon.
The ABS is purely a safety factor it may save your life if you are in a situation where you have to brake severely whether on a bend or not, BUT the issue is you should be riding within the vanishing point of the bend AND within your own abilities, if you are habitually braking ON a bend you are a dissaster waiting to happen its just a matter of time.
Seek out some advanced riding tuition, if its not available in Italy then come over here for a week and go out with an IAM observer, your riding will change dramatically.
Cheers Jim Brown
Matey, Your'e missing the point of the advice, you should NOT be doing braking of any kind on a bend, now I know the racers do trail a little rear on entry to a bend BUT this is on a track NOT on a road, your bike is at its most stable when on an even keel and under light acceleration, the racers line through bends is NOT repeat NOT the line on a road.
By the sound of your questions you need to consider some advanced tuition, and soon.
The ABS is purely a safety factor it may save your life if you are in a situation where you have to brake severely whether on a bend or not, BUT the issue is you should be riding within the vanishing point of the bend AND within your own abilities, if you are habitually braking ON a bend you are a dissaster waiting to happen its just a matter of time.
Seek out some advanced riding tuition, if its not available in Italy then come over here for a week and go out with an IAM observer, your riding will change dramatically.
Cheers Jim Brown
Sergeant Pluck
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quite - and (i'm 99% sure) that even BMW make this point in the GS handbook where says something along the lines of 'ABS will not be saving no-ones ass in a bend!'
pr0ne
pr0ne
dfulgosi
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Re: dfulgosi
(...it's a too easy statement)
...thanks a lot ...mate, ...ops, by the way..., don't forget your own helmet...
...could Your Holyness tell us why the hell the ABS can be excluded? Please, if you mention the off-road, tell us also which is the definition of "off-road", because, you know (you should know), there are very badly paved roads, very good/hard paved off-roads...
Concerning the BMW statements, I suspect that most of them are ridiculous made just to keep themselves as far as possible from "troubles", be honest, who buys a 30lt. topcase to put max 5Kg. in it? For sure they don't want to be sued from somebody who use to brakes in corners just praying in the ABS...
Jim, would you prefer ride your bike or FEEL her?
Jimb said:
(...it's a too easy statement)...thanks a lot ...mate, ...ops, by the way..., don't forget your own helmet...
...could Your Holyness tell us why the hell the ABS can be excluded? Please, if you mention the off-road, tell us also which is the definition of "off-road", because, you know (you should know), there are very badly paved roads, very good/hard paved off-roads...
Concerning the BMW statements, I suspect that most of them are ridiculous made just to keep themselves as far as possible from "troubles", be honest, who buys a 30lt. topcase to put max 5Kg. in it? For sure they don't want to be sued from somebody who use to brakes in corners just praying in the ABS...
Jim, would you prefer ride your bike or FEEL her?
I'm with Jim on this. If you regularly find yourself braking in bends, you're going to get into trouble - no amount of ABS technology is going to stop that. You should finish your braking (and gear-changing for that matter) before you lean into the bend. That way you get round the bend the quickest, safest way and avoid causing stress peaks on the two patches of rubber which are all that keep you from the hedge....
I'd suggest you look at turning off ABS if you are negotiating a loose surface. I believe the perceived wisdom behind this is as follows:
If you are riding on gravel (for instance), an application of the brake may lock the wheel, causing the ABS to reduce brake pressure and allow the wheel to turn again - this will feel like brake failure. If, in the same circumstances, you have ABS de-selected, you will still lock the wheel, but, as it remains locked, you build up a 'bow-wave' of material under the front of the tyre, causing the bike to slow.
Mike (who doesn't have ABS, but used to on his Pan)(sorry Tim )
I'd suggest you look at turning off ABS if you are negotiating a loose surface. I believe the perceived wisdom behind this is as follows:
If you are riding on gravel (for instance), an application of the brake may lock the wheel, causing the ABS to reduce brake pressure and allow the wheel to turn again - this will feel like brake failure. If, in the same circumstances, you have ABS de-selected, you will still lock the wheel, but, as it remains locked, you build up a 'bow-wave' of material under the front of the tyre, causing the bike to slow.
Mike (who doesn't have ABS, but used to on his Pan)(sorry Tim )
dfulgosi
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Something needs to be clarified: I made the question relevant to the ABS just wondering how it would manage to turn off automatically while the bike is leaning. This because somebody here wrote "the ABS don't work in corners". My statement concerning the BRAKE IN CORNERS was due to the fact that I use to "mantain" a VERY, very, VeRy, vErY light rear braking during the very begining of the corners, say two meters or 1/4 of the leaning angle or 1/10 of the corner. So my worry was ONLY related to HOW my "feeling" would change if the brakes system SWITCH off just while I'm in an already critical situation (beginning of the corner).
Now I've all the answers:
1st. the system doesn't switch by itself;
2nd. even if it was supposed to switch, I wouldn't feel anything because it would be only an electronic change.
Maybe the misunderstanding is strictly related to my broken english, but I want to be clear, I don't think that my very bad habit to "brake in corners", is someway related to my nationality.
Now I've all the answers:
1st. the system doesn't switch by itself;
2nd. even if it was supposed to switch, I wouldn't feel anything because it would be only an electronic change.
Maybe the misunderstanding is strictly related to my broken english, but I want to be clear, I don't think that my very bad habit to "brake in corners", is someway related to my nationality.
timmy
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How light is your rear braking??!
I think that you may be a little confused with the ABS and its function in corners. As far as I can understand - which isnt much where engineering is concerned - the ABS does not actually detect any lean angle at all. The only on-board lean angle detector is the pilot. I may well be mucho mistaken though.
Hey, I may well have missed the point too!
I think that you may be a little confused with the ABS and its function in corners. As far as I can understand - which isnt much where engineering is concerned - the ABS does not actually detect any lean angle at all. The only on-board lean angle detector is the pilot. I may well be mucho mistaken though.
Hey, I may well have missed the point too!
dfulgosi
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...believe me, it's V E R Y light...
the misunderstanding did born because of somebody who wrote that it was designed to auto-disconnect if the bike was not vertical. That made me a little "scared" because, you know, pretend you are as insane as me: you're starting the leaning of the bike at the very beginning of the corner, your right foot is doing a little pressure on the rear brake lever, just enought to feel the end of the play travel of the lever, and, all of a sudden, you feel a mechanical force which take back the lever because, in that moment, the ABS system is telling you that it is no more operating..., you see what I mean..., I was just trying to be sure that I wouldn't feel anything. That's all. Now I'm more than sure:
1) I wouldn't feel anything anyway because there're only electronic parts involved, the mechanics are playing only when it is working, not in the simple on - off function.
2) It doesn't turn off just because of the leaning.
For me, now, it is clear. But I'm still insane...
the misunderstanding did born because of somebody who wrote that it was designed to auto-disconnect if the bike was not vertical. That made me a little "scared" because, you know, pretend you are as insane as me: you're starting the leaning of the bike at the very beginning of the corner, your right foot is doing a little pressure on the rear brake lever, just enought to feel the end of the play travel of the lever, and, all of a sudden, you feel a mechanical force which take back the lever because, in that moment, the ABS system is telling you that it is no more operating..., you see what I mean..., I was just trying to be sure that I wouldn't feel anything. That's all. Now I'm more than sure:
1) I wouldn't feel anything anyway because there're only electronic parts involved, the mechanics are playing only when it is working, not in the simple on - off function.
2) It doesn't turn off just because of the leaning.
For me, now, it is clear. But I'm still insane...
Pthagonal
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Re: Re: Italian IAM
yea but he knows ther is no 18 wheeler coming around the blind corner towards him..
track n roads are completly different..
re abs.. its saved my ass once or twice from little crashes,,
its just good to know you can slam on the brakes if you have to and you wont loose it..
on a normal bike u have to try not to lock the brakes or your back end will loose it it and that means on abs you can stop a whole lot quicker,, and as for off road..
you can switch the abs off .. sheesh..
second hand bikes with abs sell easier, bikes without abs dont.. thats the way i see it..
regards
pthag
dfulgosi said:...have you ever heard about an Italian guy named Rossi Valentino? Try to teach him how to do corners..., you know, he's always with one wheel up..., extremely dangerous for the Italian Statistics...
yea but he knows ther is no 18 wheeler coming around the blind corner towards him..
track n roads are completly different..
re abs.. its saved my ass once or twice from little crashes,,
its just good to know you can slam on the brakes if you have to and you wont loose it..
on a normal bike u have to try not to lock the brakes or your back end will loose it it and that means on abs you can stop a whole lot quicker,, and as for off road..
you can switch the abs off .. sheesh..
second hand bikes with abs sell easier, bikes without abs dont.. thats the way i see it..
regards
pthag
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