Thanks for the tea n chat, found your trail Mark, but shit out looked a bit narrow for me on me own, plus there was alot of walkers n mtbikers will try again when theres more of us, did however do that short one at the top of Cromford hill and the awesome Gorsey bank in wirksworth in fact it was that scarey I did it twice, loads of ruts and water n mud and that type of thing luvrley