Chaps, thanks for your help.
I stayed at a great b&b in Defynnog, where mrs msgs1200 was staying for her course. The owner was a biker as well, (r1200rt) and on Sunday morning decided that having a blat around with me would be much more fun than staying home and washing the cat, so excuses made, and off we went. As I had to get home that day, we did a run out to the Elan valley - spectacular.
I did this
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And I can't believe the roads here - as soon as you get into Wales they're nicely surfaced, and no cars. What a grin

Why can't we have this in England.
Anyway, Steve from the b&b does 30000 a year on his RT, and when out, as he puts it, "makes progress". I began to regret not taking the knobblies off and perhaps packing slightly less, but we did embarrass a few sports bike riders when a luggaged-up GS1200 on knobblies and a 70000 mile RT ridden by an old fella went round the outside of them as they were busy getting their knees down
The day was badly marred however when on the way home on the a49 between Hereford and Ross I came round a corner and found a 4 bike pile up, with sadly at least 2 fatalities, and bikes that someone would need to take home in a box. Did what I could, but I wasn't a direct witness (it must have happened about 1 min before I got there. Very sad, one of the groups was a father and 2 sons. My heartfelt condolences to all concerned.
So thanks for all your help.
I'll be back
