snoopy
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I can get around the relay by buying a new one, but the hazard warning system doesn't work with LED's (doesn't come on, expects a minimum load). Where is the hazard warning circuitry on the bike?
AxeGrinder
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Which indicators are you using? Are they floppy flexible ones?
I'm putting a new set on my Dak, and if I don't NEED to change the relay, I won't
snoopy
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I can't find flexible LED ones and all the flexible bulb ones are small 22w bulbs so can't retrofit the 10w ones. Either way it'll require a new relay but I don't think the hazard system will handle 88w and I know it won't power the LED's from experience.
D6
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kisan indicator unit will sort it
snoopy
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And the hazard warning system?
I found out the indicators are the same model fitting other bikes ...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ducati-748-91...ryZ10448QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I found out the indicators are the same model fitting other bikes ...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ducati-748-91...ryZ10448QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
D6
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doesnt the hazards run thro the same unit as normal indicators?
rc mad
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had a look at the wiring diagrams and cannot find anything relating to hazard equipped bikes. Must be a bit of extra circuitry somewhere as they will stay on once activated even with the ignition off.
Ordinarily the relief relay (top left in the relay box) provides power through to the flasher unit as well as other things(bottom center) and then on to the indicator switch. The hazard equipped bikes might have a latching circuit somewhere (and an extra relay) that tells the unit to continue flashing once the ignition is off. Have you replaced the flasher unit yet?
It might be that once you've replaced the flasher unit the hazards will work correctly, they will use the same unit for both, just switched on a slightly different way.
Ordinarily the relief relay (top left in the relay box) provides power through to the flasher unit as well as other things(bottom center) and then on to the indicator switch. The hazard equipped bikes might have a latching circuit somewhere (and an extra relay) that tells the unit to continue flashing once the ignition is off. Have you replaced the flasher unit yet?
It might be that once you've replaced the flasher unit the hazards will work correctly, they will use the same unit for both, just switched on a slightly different way.
snoopy
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The hazards are part of the "comfort pack", maybe the circuitry is in the big black handlebar box? but I've not looked.
When running LED indicators the hazard system will not work at all (all bulbs off). I can't see how it uses the indicator relay either as that relay is rated for 20w. I'd tried it with the stock and LED relay with no joy.
When running LED indicators the hazard system will not work at all (all bulbs off). I can't see how it uses the indicator relay either as that relay is rated for 20w. I'd tried it with the stock and LED relay with no joy.
rc mad
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nah, all thats there is the switch, i know cos my abs switch packed up last week, both cables broken off 
Now extended and re soldered. Anyway, its a completely different loom for a hazards equipped bike, learn summit new everyday 
Hmm, very strange, Wonder if there is a secondary flasher relay in there, got a pix of your relay box, I'll compare it with the diagram i have. Would explain why the indicators work as indicators but not as hazards. They do work as indicators with the led relay, don't they
Only other thing is that the hazards may be controlled by the motronic but that's doubtful.
Now extended and re soldered. Anyway, its a completely different loom for a hazards equipped bike, learn summit new everyday Hmm, very strange, Wonder if there is a secondary flasher relay in there, got a pix of your relay box, I'll compare it with the diagram i have. Would explain why the indicators work as indicators but not as hazards. They do work as indicators with the led relay, don't they
Only other thing is that the hazards may be controlled by the motronic but that's doubtful.
snoopy
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I've found out the relay wont work at all with 2 LED indicators but flashes fast with 1 LED indicator.
I figure the best bet is to pull the relay out and see if the hazards still work. Then we'll know if it's independent.
What about two of these to replace the front indicators. Stick them on the black bit of fairing to side of screen?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....m=300113851153&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020
I figure the best bet is to pull the relay out and see if the hazards still work. Then we'll know if it's independent.
What about two of these to replace the front indicators. Stick them on the black bit of fairing to side of screen?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....m=300113851153&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=020
rc mad
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This is getting strange, to me it sounds like the led bulbs are drawing more power than the filament bulbs, what wattage are the leds and where'd you get em from. Some companies fit resistors in the circuitry to fake the wattage of a filament bulb.
If its flashing fast with one led bub it means the flasher relay isn't seeing the amount of resistance it expects to see, with it not working at all with two led's connected it must have too much resistance there. Therefore it'll never power the 4 leds. I'll put money on the fact that you pulling the flasher relay will kill the hazards (if it does it means the flasher unit has a range of wattage that it''ll work with say 20 - 40 watts), and that the led bulbs draw more watts than the filament setup. Do two led indicators work with the original flasher relay?
Those indicators look to be quite long and i reckon they'll peel off
If its flashing fast with one led bub it means the flasher relay isn't seeing the amount of resistance it expects to see, with it not working at all with two led's connected it must have too much resistance there. Therefore it'll never power the 4 leds. I'll put money on the fact that you pulling the flasher relay will kill the hazards (if it does it means the flasher unit has a range of wattage that it''ll work with say 20 - 40 watts), and that the led bulbs draw more watts than the filament setup. Do two led indicators work with the original flasher relay?
Those indicators look to be quite long and i reckon they'll peel off
D6
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snoopy
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I finally found some flexible LED indicators at Hein Gerick - 25 quid a pair. Bought another LED relay from them at 9 quid and will fit it all tomorrow. Will post the result...
I used 25w flexible jobbies and fitted a digital relay, no probs, but I don't have the hazards. Can't see why it would cause any probs though as the relay will do anything upto 100+W.
Leds are too much of a pain in the arse to get working due to the low draw IMHO.
Leds are too much of a pain in the arse to get working due to the low draw IMHO.
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