Licensing query for them wot knows?

[Surrey Yeoman]

Quick one for anyone who trains novices etc.

A girl at my place of work has a female "friend" who apparently is 19 years old and has done her CBT and hold a provisional A1 category licence.

ALLEGEDLY, this friend has a Kawasaki Ninja 600 which she is riding around on the provisional A1 licence and CBT certificate and L plates, having APPARENTLY had the bike restricted to 11kw.

Now, I think my friend has got the wrong end of the stick or her mate is bullshitting her...............................

I can't believe that a Ninja 600 would even run well enough to ride if restricted to 11kw!

And even if it could be sapped to such an extent, the Law specifies not exceeding 11kw or 125CC for an A1 licence holder.

I certainly can't find anything in my law books or on the web that would allow such riding as my friend describes.

Anyone know better??

 

[sockpuppet]

I always though the CBT only cleared you for a 125cc.

You get involved with restrictor kits once you have the A1 pass.

 

[Timpo]

Lifted from DVLA site.

[Law MV(DL)R regs 42(1) & 69(1)]

Light motorcycle licence (A1): you take a test on a motorcycle of between 75 and 125 cc. If you pass you may ride a motorcycle up to 125 cc with power output up to 11 kW.

Standard motorcycle licence (A): if your test vehicle is between 120 and 125 cc and capable of more than 100 km/h you will be given a standard (A) licence. You will then be restricted to motorcycles of up to 25 kW for two years. After two years you may ride any size machine.

Direct or Accelerated Access enables riders over the age of 21, or those who reach 21 before their two-year restriction ends, to ride larger motorcycles sooner. To obtain a licence to do so they are required to

•have successfully completed a CBT course
•pass a theory test, if they are required to do so
•pass a practical test on a machine with power output of at least 35 kW
To practise, they can ride larger motorcycles, with L plates (and/or D plates in Wales), on public roads, but only when accompanied by an approved instructor on another motorcycle in radio contact.

You MUST NOT carry a pillion passenger or pull a trailer until you have passed your test.

 

[(RIP) Ewan]

She is riding unlicensed. The 125cc limit is firm, the 11kW part is there as while most commuter 125s make 11kW, race reps, tuned/unrestriced, 2-strokes etc can make more, and these can't be ridden on a CBT despite being 125cc.

600cc restricted to 11kW? Sounds like a tall tale....

 

[RichieS]

Licence

The offence would be driving other than in accordance with a licence, and there would also be a no insurance charge on top of that.
Suggets that her 'friend' stops riding that bike right away!

 

[Surrey Yeoman]

Cheers Guys,

I thought I was right (has to be a first time!).

Suitable advice has been given to be passed on.

RichieS - PM sent.

 

[andyclift]

and there would also be a no insurance charge on top of that.

To clarify there are two possible charges here.

Firstly, as noted, there could be a case of "no insurance" as it is normal for an insurance policy to state the holder must "hold or have held a licence to drive" the class of vehicle. Not holding a licence therefore invalidates the insurance. In practice police officers rarely bother with this and just do a Fixed Penalty for the "not in accordance with" which is only a three point job.

The second is much more interesting. It is a specific offence under the Road Traffic Act to make a false declaration to an insurance company. If the driver has told the insurer they have a licence to drive a vehicle and don't or, for example, they fail to tell the insurer about past claims or offences, they commit an offence. I guess there are an awful lot of normally honest drivers who could come unstuck with this one. Again, rarely used as it requires the officer to contact the insurer to confirm the information given to them.

No insurance is normally dealt with by a fixed penalty of £200.00 and 6 points. As an added bonus (in London, not sure about other areas) the vehicle would normally be seized and can only be released to a qualified driver with full insurance. False declaration means arrest and a court appearance.

 

[hmmmmmmm]

re licence

as a motorcycle instructor / advanced examiner i can tell you %10000
that cbt covers only upto 125cc
a a2 licence practtical test pass would then have a restriction of 33bhp for any machine
after 2 years any bike can be ridden
thenks