£134.00
They're having a laugh
Steve
They're having a laugh
Steve
Mudsling
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GC6269
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Ah what's money? What else are you going to spend it on?
Petrol? Don't be so stupid, it's cold, wet and dark.
Petrol? Don't be so stupid, it's cold, wet and dark.
You have bought a BMW motorcycle, therefore you have lots of disposable income, therefore accessories for your BMW are priced accordingly !
In other words, they think you are suckers who will pay any price for a flimsy bit of plastic.
In other words, they think you are suckers who will pay any price for a flimsy bit of plastic.
£134............. for a part that BMW should have fitted as standard.............it's only an inner mudguard FFs, which used to come as standard on all bikes, until nowadays
I just can't get my mind round buying "an Adventure bike" and then fitting, fender extenders, Crudcatchers and Mudslings to stop it getting dirty. Maybe it's just me
£134............. for a part that BMW should have fitted as standard.............it's only an inner mudguard FFs, which used to come as standard on all bikes, until nowadays
That's true and untrue, JB.
'All bikes' have not had huggers as standard, witness the large numbers of huggers sold to sports bike riders where, if we are truthful, the whole hugger thing was born.
The oddity now is that many and most sports bikes now sold come with a hugger of some shape (often to protect the exposed rear suspension piston as much as anything else) as standard, whilst BMW's GS - which is morphing into a sports bike of sorts - doesn't have one. Why not? I think a significant part of the answer is the never ending pursuit of weight saving, where designers are told to save grams as they add up to kilos, so are reluctant to add anything more than is absolutely necessary.
The muddy water spray problem, the rider's trousers getting dirty and (worse) SWMBO complaining is not unique to BMW's 1200 GS. Honda's CBF 1000 which is otherwise a very good bike needs a hugger (or a better mudguard, as they used to be called before things got trendy) fitting as standard.
If we carry on looking at today's sports bikes, we can see that there has been a shift into fitments that were once bling as standard. Adjustable or aftermarket footrests used to be a favourite; these are now all but standard. Foldable clutch and brake levers, now common. Mini-indicators, now everywhere as standard. Undertrays, now commonplace, too. Quick shifters, very common. Why? Because manufacturers have been forced to fit them as standard in order to satisfy customer demand or their bike won't sell and many needed to fit the electronics in order to homologate the bike for racing. BMW do not have that problem, their 1200 sells in thousands, straight off the showroom floor or off the first advertisment; the only bling they need to add is an Akrapovich exhaust, the first 'must have' for most buyers, so BMW offer it straight out of their options package, charging a premium price that buyers are happy to pay as it's easy.
Few of today's 200 owners will have test ridden the bike before parting with their cash, or they would have discovered that the gear change is maybe not the greatest or they would have found out how the electronic suspension worked and not be writing in to ask or moan about it after 4000 miles of ownership. If many buyers are just splashing down their cash and availing themselves of BMW's credit schemes, why bother to add anything extra? I wouldn't if I was BMW. When the demand falls off, then we may see the change but I doubt it as the 1250 will be out.... Which will be awesome (naturally)..... But will probably need a hugger
The current 1000's of 1200's will then be sold second hand and significantly discounted to former 1150 owners who will be overjoyed that they have saved a small fortune, will have had the bikes with the shonky gear changes weeded out or mended, won't care if their trousers get splashed or that the panniers don't stay shiny. Some of the new owners will fit a hugger for 50p made out of old yogurt cartons and carpet underlay, not caring one jot that it doesn't look great (it works, mate) and won't be upset if it doesn't come comes from a catalogue and / or doesn't arrive tomorrow.
I just can't get my mind round buying "an Adventure bike" and then fitting, fender extenders, Crudcatchers and Mudslings to stop it getting dirty. Maybe it's just me
You are not alone, Sir
They look like a tart's handbag then
Same for cast wheels, they have no place on a real GS - spokes all the way
GC6269
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I've amended your post to suit my situation.
That's true and untrue, JB.
'All bikes' have not had huggers as standard, witness the large numbers of huggers sold to sports bike riders where, if we are truthful, the whole hugger thing was born.
The oddity now is that many and most sports bikes now sold come with a hugger of some shape (often to protect the exposed rear suspension piston as much as anything else) as standard, whilst BMW's GS - which is morphing into a sports bike of sorts - doesn't have one. Why not? I think a significant part of the answer is the never ending pursuit of weight saving, where designers are told to save grams as they add up to kilos, so are reluctant to add anything more than is absolutely necessary.
The muddy water spray problem, the rider's trousers getting dirty and (worse) SWMBO complaining is not unique to BMW's 1200 GS. Honda's CBF 1000 which is otherwise a very good bike needs a hugger (or a better mudguard, as they used to be called before things got trendy) fitting as standard.
If we carry on looking at today's sports bikes, we can see that there has been a shift into fitments that were once bling as standard. Adjustable or aftermarket footrests used to be a favourite; these are now all but standard. Foldable clutch and brake levers, now common. Mini-indicators, now everywhere as standard. Undertrays, now commonplace, too. Quick shifters, very common. Why? Because manufacturers have been forced to fit them as standard in order to satisfy customer demand or their bike won't sell and many needed to fit the electronics in order to homologate the bike for racing. BMW do not have that problem, their 1200 sells in thousands, straight off the showroom floor or off the first advertisment; the only bling they need to add is an Akrapovich exhaust, the first 'must have' for most buyers, so BMW offer it straight out of their options package, charging a premium price that buyers are happy to pay as it's easy.
Few of today's 200 owners will have test ridden the bike before parting with their cash, or they would have discovered that the gear change is maybe not the greatest or they would have found out how the electronic suspension worked and not be writing in to ask or moan about it after 4000 miles of ownership. If many buyers are just splashing down their cash and availing themselves of BMW's credit schemes, why bother to add anything extra? I wouldn't if I was BMW. When the demand falls off, then we may see the change but I doubt it as the 1250 will be out.... Which will be awesome (naturally)..... But will probably need a hugger
The current 1000's of 1200's will then be sold second hand and significantly discounted to former 1150 owners who will be overjoyed that they have saved a small fortune, will have had the bikes with the shonky gear changes weeded out or mended, won't care if their trousers get splashed or that the panniers don't stay shiny. Some of the new owners will fit a hugger for 50p made out of old yogurt cartons and carpet underlay, not caring one jot that it doesn't look great (it works, mate) and won't be upset if it doesn't come comes from a catalogue and / or doesn't arrive tomorrow.
Well reasoned & explained
I shall relax in the knowledge that my 1150 has a proper 'inner' mudguard with a rubber mudflap to protect the shock & rider's legs of road debris
No need for a £134 Mudsling or £250 Limberger Hugger for me
Whilst we're talking of weight nice to see the BMW designers got it right with the 1150 GSA which is 4 kgs less than its successor the 1200 GSA
1150 GSA has a kerb weight of 253kg
1200 GSA has a kerb weight of 257 kg
But the 4kg weight gain is more than catered for by the awesome jump in power and, naturally, by the added 'presence'.
and the faster colours
Natch, mate.
Yep... shame about the lower 1150 power, the extra crank 20 hp on the Mk1 GSA and 25 hp on the Mk2 GSA would be nice
All relative and the 1150 is adequate for me, as the old adage goes..................it's not what you've got, it's how you use it
I still prefer the 1150 GSA looks though, so I'm still a happy chap
And that's all that matters.
It is and that we enjoy what we like
I have decided that i'm now 'old school'
I have decided that i'm now 'old school'
And yet, here you are in the 1200LC section possibly the section's most prolific poster
It's ok John, you are allowed a day off occasionally 
And yet, here you are in the 1200LC section possibly the section's most prolific poster
Is yours on order yet?
I just can't get my mind round buying "an Adventure bike" and then fitting, fender extenders, Crudcatchers and Mudslings to stop it getting dirty. Maybe it's just me
Agreed, if keeping your trousers clean is that important then get a bike that is designed to keep your trousers clean - an RT perhaps, or a scooter.
Is yours on order yet?
Not likely..........
You won't catch me on one those new fangled things either, air cooled-that's where it's at
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