TUNED IN said:
there's just such a test in bike magazine this month using honda vfr800s.
i only skimmed it, but the ABS bike stopped quicker, in the dry too.
there's just such a test in bike magazine this month using honda vfr800s.
i only skimmed it, but the ABS bike stopped quicker, in the dry too.
GSMarc
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cookie said:
I have bought my bike (GS1150) from an ex riding champion and he said me he didn't bought it with ABS because he wanted to 'feel' the brakes.
An interresting question is : Does the actual racing bikes present on circuit (eg Rossi) has an ABS ? If not, why ? Because of the riders, because of the rules for riding, because of the effect of such a help ?
Who can answer that ?
It's very simple for racing track dudes. No extra weight, not even 1 gram and maximum feel of brakes, i.e. blocking option is needed on some critical curve situations to get the bike under control.
Sure racing bikes do not have ABS. One thing is to be life-long racing-trained Rossi on racing GP track with 150kg and 250 horsepower bike that takes up 320kph straight-line in seconds till you have to smoothly brake and take the curve, no accidental cars stoping in front of you etc, other thing is to be simple human being riding on the street with 250kg and 85 horsepower. You can't compare F-1 car with BMW 320i for example in braking techniques or technology behind it. It's day/night different from each other. You can't compete with 320i on F-1 track, and F-1 car can't compete you on the realistic street.
Living from racing dudes must keep their braking skills very warm all the time, so sure they'd not use ABS versions out of the track too whenever possible.
So leave the high-end racing side off for now and think more street-oriented where dominant amount of us rides and where accidental probabilityes are more higher than known-given race track that you ride dozen times circles a day and know excacly how, when and where to brake on each centimetre of the track's tramac... ABS is just an extra weight on that condition. And on racing GP, every addtional gram could mean losing a very high score.
Mo
Sure racing bikes do not have ABS. One thing is to be life-long racing-trained Rossi on racing GP track with 150kg and 250 horsepower bike that takes up 320kph straight-line in seconds till you have to smoothly brake and take the curve, no accidental cars stoping in front of you etc, other thing is to be simple human being riding on the street with 250kg and 85 horsepower. You can't compare F-1 car with BMW 320i for example in braking techniques or technology behind it. It's day/night different from each other. You can't compete with 320i on F-1 track, and F-1 car can't compete you on the realistic street.
Living from racing dudes must keep their braking skills very warm all the time, so sure they'd not use ABS versions out of the track too whenever possible.
So leave the high-end racing side off for now and think more street-oriented where dominant amount of us rides and where accidental probabilityes are more higher than known-given race track that you ride dozen times circles a day and know excacly how, when and where to brake on each centimetre of the track's tramac... ABS is just an extra weight on that condition. And on racing GP, every addtional gram could mean losing a very high score.
Mo
GSMarc said:
Flying banana
Registered user
Steve you tit, you have a short memory!!!! You have heard that on mine! When the ignition is on , and the brakes are applied, the whirring noise is that of the servos working. When you turn the ignition on, you need to let it go through its testing stage, as it sorts itself out wiv the brakes. its all completely normal. Makes people look at traffic lights, though!!
P.S. did you get my e-mail about Lands End?
CHeers matey,
FB
P.S. did you get my e-mail about Lands End?
CHeers matey,
FB
Flying banana said:Steve you tit, you have a short memory!!!! You have heard that on mine! When the ignition is on , and the brakes are applied, the whirring noise is that of the servos working. When you turn the ignition on, you need to let it go through its testing stage, as it sorts itself out wiv the brakes. its all completely normal. Makes people look at traffic lights, though!!
P.S. did you get my e-mail about Lands End?
CHeers matey,
FB
Yes, yes! I knew that!!! ........................... So it'll be the servo one then?
GSMarc said:
How many race tracks have junctions hiding myopic car drivers, diesel spills, cars coming towards you on the wrong side of the road, gravel, cow sh*t, over-banding, white lines, drain covers, potholes, mud, etc etc etc? Even if gravel did escape from a gravel trap onto the track then the marshals would wave flags while clearing it up. And how many road riders have the option of heading straight for their tyre dealer to change to super-grippy wet tyres at the first sign of rain?
If roads were like race tracks it's unlikely that anyone would have bothered with ABS on bikes. Comparing road with race is a meaningless comparison for so many reasons.
But as someone else said, as long as BMW sell bikes both with and without, it's a personal choice. I used to have an R1100RS and still remember being scared sh*tless when approaching a roundabout and finding gravel on the (dry) road surface in front of me. The gravel itself didn't scare me - the complete loss of brakes (the ABS took over, and in its infinite wisdom decided that braking was a bad idea) as I hurtled towards the traffic did. From then I decided that as long as I have the choice, I'll never allow a bike to decide when I can and can't apply the brakes.
I'm currently looking for an 1150GS and specifically want one without ABS, partly for simplicity, reliability and ease of home servicing but mainly because I want control. Maybe I'll regret the decision one day, but that's fine. Each to his (or her) own. There is no right and wrong answer in this debate until the EU in their infinite wisdom* take away all but the ABS option for every bike sold. It'll happen.....
(*or choose your own alternative word)
Been riding over 30 years on very fast and slow bikes including a Yamaha FZR1000 Genesis which had phenominal brakes. Had an 1100GS with ABS and twice had occasion to grab far more brake than I would ordinarily have dared to believe safetly possible. The performance was frightening/awesome in a good way. I was absolutely gob-smacked at how fast I stopped under control, and I mean gob-smacked. No matter how competant we think we are, unless we have spent considerable time practicing and re-practicing braking regularly, and always have 100% concentration (after a hard day at work/late nights etc) I defy anyone to come to a quicker and more controlled stop than with ABS.
Yes, it is a choice and I understand many of the concerns that the Non-ABSers have voiced but having experienced it first hand, I can only sing its praises, albeit it in soprano....
Yes, it is a choice and I understand many of the concerns that the Non-ABSers have voiced but having experienced it first hand, I can only sing its praises, albeit it in soprano....
