Oh no.....

In my view a Harley and GS in the stable is the ideal mix.

Sounds good to me. :thumb

@solidstate

Don't bother getting the smaller 883 or 1200 as you'll only end up wanting the full monty in the end IMO.

Save time and go straight for the big un (funds permitting) and preferably a Twin Cam if you like smooth running.

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Thanks chaps, I am actually finding this quite helpful. :thumb2

Seems like the majority view is "go large" and get the big twin engined whatever - BUT having cast my eye around I am starting to suffer brain fade, what with the myriad versions over the years:blast

Looking at,say, early to mid 2000 model year (for cost reasons), what is the stripped down (I suppose "sportsterish") variant - dyna glide is it? and any model specific pitfalls to look out for (ie final drive problems, fuel sender units, fuel pump controllers etc etc :D:D)

Appreciate the help fellas, im sure you will make me a homo yet :rolleyes:
 
Yep, Dyna Glide is the one. Lots to choose from with the Superglide being at the bling end of the scale :cool:

Not much to go wrong with them as there's bugger all to them :thumb
 
Within the current (say from 2000) big twin lineup there are three series, Dyna Super Glide (FXD), Softail (FLS), and Touring (FLH). Tourers are pretty easy to recognize with their larger fenders, luggage, and some form of windshield or fairing as standard. Softail’s and Dyna’s can appear similar, the easiest way to distinguish them is Dyna’s have two conventional rear shocks. Softail has a hidden single rear shock. Dyna’s look like a longer, lower Sportster.
Dyna’s and Tourer’s share the same engine and transmission which are mounted as a unit in the frames with rubber isolaters a la Norton. You feel the vibes at idle and low rpm but they actually become smooth at highway speeds. Softails use a “B” version of the engine which has a counter-balancer built in so they can mount it solid and very close to the frame. B engines are smooth at idle and up to normal road speeds but develop a bit of vibration at higher speeds.

2000-2006 used the Twin Cam 88” engine (1450cc). 2000-2002 are considered good years in they still used Timken bearings in the bottom end which tended to hold up better for people enlarging the engine for more power. Otherwise the newer bearings hold up fine. For Dyna’s fuel injection was made available as an option starting in 2004, and it works well with typical FI benefit. But carb’d engines are fine also.
For 2005 HD redesigned (improved?) the valves with smaller stems or something. But the result was many 05’s burned oil. HD has a service bulletin on this and many had their valves replaced under warranty. Something to be aware of if looking at an 05, just check the service records and ask about oil consumption. For 2006 HD fitted their all new 6-speed in the Dyna, which required some changes to the primary. The 06 primary re-design was not good and the inner primary bearings routinely fail. Personally I would avoid an 06 Dyna.
2007 saw the 88 engine replaced by the substantially changed and improved 96” and improved primary but at this point the resale values may be inching beyond what you’re looking to spend.

Although the 88” Twin Cam is considered a very good engine he shortcoming with all 88” engines are the spring loaded cam chain tensioners. At some point, typically between 25,000 and 60,000 miles, the plastic slider shoes will wear thin enough to break apart. The remaining metal backing maintains tension so you do not hear or feel anything, but the chunks of plastic end up lodging in the oil pump and starve the engine of oil which can ruin pretty much the entire engine. The reason there’s such a wide spread in mileage when they fail seems related to when the chains were stamped in relation to when the tooling dyes in the presses were replaced. Chains varied between some being somewhat rounded or polished, while others were more sharply cut. Just the luck of the draw.
The good news is the tensioner shoes can be inspected w/o too much trouble and any HD mechanic will be well aware of it and have the procedure down pat. If they need changed the newer ones will last longer simply due to the fact the chains have polished themselves from sliding against the original shoes. HD also offers an upgrade kit which replaces the spring system with the improved hydraulic tension system used in the 96” engine. As a side benefit it comes complete with a higher flow oil pump.

There are different levels of fitment in addition to the basic FXD with a single seat, no tach, mill finish aluminum cases. FXDC (custom) has more chrome, double seat, etc. My favorite Dyna is the FXDX (Super Glide Sport) 2000-2005. It’s raised up with better suspension components F&R, blacked out with almost no chrome, dual disc front brakes, speedo and tach mounted where you can see them, lower bars, and mid mounted foot pegs. My understanding is these were somewhat popular in Europe but were extremely slow sellers here in the U.S. 2005’s were showing up when I bought my 2004 FXDXI as a discounted leftover. I still have it. The upgraded tensioner setup was installed in it three years ago.



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Wow Clifton, many thanks for that post, very very helpful indeed. Just the sort of info/detail I was looking for! Much appreciated :thumb2

The bike pictured (presume yours?) is pretty much bang on what I am looking for - cracking bike mate!:drool
 
You're welcome. I hope you can find a good one set up how you want.

Yes that's my 04 which I bought new. After riding it for 18K I decided to order a 2009 Electra Glide and sold this bike to a friend. I always liked this bike and immediately realized I had made a mistake selling it. Even my wife said "why did you sell your Super Glide?" He barely rode it but did have the dealer install the upgraded tensioner during a winter sale they were having. Since they were in there anyway he let them replace the cams with a higher performance one HD makes. After owning it 2 years and then with just 19K he called and asked if I wanted to buy it back? Needless to say I did. It's not often one gets to remake a bad selling decision!
 
Harley first steps...

Bought my first and current Harley on fleabay...2005 electraglide ultra classic. Immaculate and low mileage. Tend to ride it more than my 1150gs...even on muddy country lanes! Just put acf50 on it in winter.
Lovely jaunt to arctic circle with 6ft2inch son on back this summer...it's great for touring and have commuted into London on it for a while.
What more can I say?

Simon
 
Simon, where did you ride to the Arctic Circle? I'm in agreement the bat wing works pretty well on those bikes.
 
Copied this across from an other post I placed a few weeks ago, I would also say buy a big twin cos you will want one soon after you have the Sportster,Have a look at BlackBear HD Newmarket they currently offer your money back in full if you trade up from a new Sportster to a Big Twin within a year, cos they know most people will do just that

I have owned lots of bikes over years started out on an AP 50 in 76 following the norm of a 15 year break from bikes I got back into them in 1999 with the purchase of the Harley in the first Photo, during the past 12 years bikes that have come and gone include Kawasaki 76 Z900, 76 Z1000 x2 (still have1 under going restoration v slowly) Aprilla Falco,Suzuki SV1000, 09 R1200GS, Kawasaki GTR1400, Buell XB1200 uly x2.
Currently have a 2010 Uly and the Fat Bob.

What ever I buy and sell I always come back to a Harley.


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Photo 1
1976 Harley Shovel
I built this one in 1999 from a rough bike sold 2001 after only 1 summer on the road and 3 engine strip downs, the most unreliable bike i have ever owned.



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94 1340 Evo Glide
Bought in 06 re built sold 08

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03 Road King 1450
Bought 2008 sold 2009

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09 Fat Bob
4 is before I started to make the changes.
5 is with Fat boy bars single 7 inch h/lamp short shots sundowner seat, back rest (my wife likes to have a back rest) and touring bags

Bought summer 2010 still have this one it fits our needs very well.
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We had a 1200 GS in 2010 which we used on a trip across Europe through Italy, the GS is the ultimate mule but I missed the character of my previous Harleys.

The decision was made the BM sold and our search for another Harley started, having owned a few Harleys including a very nice Road King, which was a great bike but very heavy with luggage two up in traffic, I went along to my local HD dealer and test rode a couple of soft tails, Duce and the Fat-Boy then a Dyna Street-Bob, no brakes on the soft tails they don't handle no ground clearance, Street Bob had better clearance and handling but still no brakes, the salesman convinced me to try the Fat Bob, twin front stoppers proper rear shocks and enough ground clearance, I liked the way the bike looked apart from the front end view, I am not a fan of the twin h/lights and the tall bar risers with flat pull back bars.

After the test ride I bought a 1200 mile 10 month Fat Bob from a private seller, this bike handles well enough two up with luggage, I fitted Fat Boy bars and a 7inch chrome single h/light to sort out the front end look.
We took the Fat Bob to the Swiss Alps and Lake Como summer 2011 and France summer 2012, great fun, ok the GS boys passed me with ease on the alpine passes but I wouldn’t have swapped bikes with them, the Fat Bob is well up to the job and suites us well.


Harley ? GS ? if I had the cash I would have one of each !


If you test ride a new Harley it will feel and sound a bit flat, almost all owners will have stage 1 remap and change the pipes to release the Harley sound and the extra power.

Good luck with your search
 
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We had a 1200 GS in 2010 which we used on a trip across Europe through Italy, the GS is the ultimate mule but I missed the character of my previous Harleys.

The decision was made the BM sold and our search for another Harley started, having owned a few Harleys including a very nice Road King, which was a great bike but very heavy with luggage two up in traffic, I went along to my local HD dealer and test rode a couple of soft tails, Duce and the Fat-Boy then a Dyna Street-Bob, no brakes on the soft tails they don't handle no ground clearance, Street Bob had better clearance and handling but still no brakes, the salesman convinced me to try the Fat Bob, twin front stoppers proper rear shocks and enough ground clearance, I liked the way the bike looked apart from the front end view, I am not a fan of the twin h/lights and the tall bar risers with flat pull back bars.

After the test ride I bought a 1200 mile 10 month Fat Bob from a private seller, this bike handles well enough two up with luggage, I fitted Fat Boy bars and a 7inch chrome single h/light to sort out the front end look.
We took the Fat Bob to the Swiss Alps and Lake Como summer 2011 and France summer 2012, great fun, ok the GS boys passed me with ease on the alpine passes but I wouldn’t have swapped bikes with them, the Fat Bob is well up to the job and suites us well.


Harley ? GS ? if I had the cash I would have one of each !


If you test ride a new Harley it will feel and sound a bit flat, almost all owners will have stage 1 remap and change the pipes to release the Harley sound and the extra power.

Good luck with your search

i have test ridden a fat bob and really enjoyed it... i like the style but not keen on twin headlamp, could you post up a front end picture when you get 5 minutes... thanks
 
twin headlights may be better ,but the looks not for me either ,but that is the harley thing ,its personell to each person ,every one has there likes and dislikes ,none is better or worse than anyothers (except solid wheels which are hideous)
 


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