PEAK DISTRICT PROTEST 4th AUGUST

[Mouse]

Posted on behalf of the PDVUG:

Another 'Back to Tarmac' day together with the best lanes the Peak Park has to offer.

Come and be noticed.

The Peak Park website at http://www.peakdistrict.gov.uk/news/current-news/uk-national-parks-are-actively-yours2 gives details of a national promotion called Actively Yours:

"UK national parks are ‘Actively Yours’

That mountain: it's yours to climb. That coastal path: it's yours to wander.

That sweeping moorland, that pristine river, that tranquil forest -- they belong to you and to all of us. They are ours to explore.

'Actively yours… to enjoy' is the message of National Parks Week 2013, which takes place from Monday July 29 to Sunday August 4.

Chairman, Tony Favell added: "The weeklong celebration ends with a fun packed activity day at Castleton visitor centre on Sunday August 4. People can join in and find out what's great about the Peak District National Park."


Now that the Peak Park have shown that they DON'T welcome us (TRO soon on The Roych) and that they think the lanes are NOT ours to drive, we thought it would be nice to turn up in force and join in the fun on Sunday 4 Aug.

There will be a GLASS/TRF presence in the visitor centre car park in Castleton all day from 09.30, so come along and say hello. There are plenty of great lanes to drive/ride in the immediate area - Chapel Gate & Roych (quick before they are TRO'd), Brough Lane, Bamford Lane, to name a few.

It would helpful if there were lots of 4x4s and trail bikes moving slowly up and down Winnats Pass, filling up the car park at Castleton and driving slowly (because it will be busy) through Castleton, Hope and Bamford to let everyone know that the Peak Park is ours also and that the Greenlanes are for everyone.

Suggested route for local lanes - leave Castleton Visitor Centre car park - head up Winnats Pass - Mam Tor road to Edale - up Chapel Gate - west to Rushup Edge - down The Roych - through Wash to Sparrowpit - back to top of Winnats Pass - left onto Dirtlow Rake - down Pindale - to Brough and up Brough Lane - Abney and on to Bamford via Offerton Hall - up Bamford Clough - past Stanage Edge (on tarmac) to Lady Canning's Plantation - along Houndkirk Moor and back though Hathersage to Castleton.

Help and advice for those unfamiliar with the area from GLASS and TRF in Castleton Visitor Centre Carpark

See you there on the 4th.

Peak & Derbyshire Vehicle User Group (PDVUG)

 

[Monsieur]

I'll make a note not to visit the area with my walking boots then

Nothing better than a quite hike across a national park area and then coming across some numptys on their bike or in their 4x4 because 'they have a right to do so'

The parks may be for 'all' but in a small country like Britain it just doesn't make sense for what little poublic access land we have to be used by those who have an engine - isn't that what a road is for

Aren't there enough privately owned areas in Britain that offer the 'off road' experience or why not travel a la ewan to mongolia and the steppes

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

I'll make a note not to visit the area with my walking boots then

Nothing better than a quite hike across a national park area and then coming across some numptys on their bike or in their 4x4 because 'they have a right to do so'

The parks may be for 'all' but in a small country like Britain it just doesn't make sense for what little poublic access land we have to be used by those who have an engine - isn't that what a road is for

Aren't there enough privately owned areas in Britain that offer the 'off road' experience or why not travel a la ewan to mongolia and the steppes

One flaw in your observation, the rough & unmade tracks people ride are roads & not only just footpaths

Funnily when I'm on the top of the fells & peaks I see no walkers ever, they never walk the high level routes or roads

Most walkers in the National Parks only walk 3-4 miles from where they park their cars

Some of the high level routes are >1000 ft high & over 10-12 miles long so are hardly ever walked except by the hardcore walkers

The complainers aren't those, they are the 'recreational' 3-4 milers in the main

Even on a small island there is room for walkers & legal trail riders to share our wonderful countryside

 

[Timolgra]

I'll make a note not to visit the area with my walking boots then

Nothing better than a quite hike across a national park area and then coming across some numptys on their bike or in their 4x4 because 'they have a right to do so'

The parks may be for 'all' but in a small country like Britain it just doesn't make sense for what little poublic access land we have to be used by those who have an engine - isn't that what a road is for

Well I'm afraid to tell you that's the typical ill informed sort statement all users of unsurfaced roads have heard spouted from the red socked brigade who have tens of thousands of miles of footpaths in this country.

Having spent much of my own life walking and climbing in National Parks as well as 'green laning', I like to think I have a more balanced view which includes historical as well as environmental considerations.

The more I never acknowledge other riders on the road, the more justified I feel if your post was indeed serious.

 

[PDiddy]

I'll make a note not to visit the area with my walking boots then

Nothing better than a quite hike across a national park area and then coming across some numptys on their bike or in their 4x4 because 'they have a right to do so'

The parks may be for 'all' but in a small country like Britain it just doesn't make sense for what little poublic access land we have to be used by those who have an engine - isn't that what a road is for

Aren't there enough privately owned areas in Britain that offer the 'off road' experience or why not travel a la ewan to mongolia and the steppes

Perhaps if some of the unmade roads were returned to us, then the chances of meeting a trail rider would be reduced. The more you take away the more we will ride what we are legally able to. So many of the roads that have had TROs enforced on them are now so over grown you would struggle to be able to find them let alone walk them. Ramblers have access to 97% of England's right of way yet trail riders only have 3%, and as I pay my taxes just the same as you why shouldn't I be able to enjoy my hobby just as much as you do, but without the dog shit and food wrappers left by fucking day trippers into the peaks -

 

[MickDB1]

Met 2 walker tuther day at the bottom of Black Harry lane
Stopped and had a natter for 10 mins but they wouldnt share their sarnis or cake so I left um
As an extra word if you are thinking of doing ant off tarmac this weekend or anytime soon
Some of the lanes have serious water damage and are well deep rutted
Bikes and 4 x 4 vehicles have been no where near either
Been up today and council have scooped up large amounts of Plainings
(used to resurface some of the lanes) and just tipped them back in a big pile
Todays rain showers should have levelled them again - but just be careful out there folks

 

[Gossy]

I'll make a note not to visit the area with my walking boots then

Nothing better than a quite hike across a national park area and then coming across some numptys on their bike or in their 4x4 because 'they have a right to do so'

The parks may be for 'all' but in a small country like Britain it just doesn't make sense for what little poublic access land we have to be used by those who have an engine - isn't that what a road is for

Aren't there enough privately owned areas in Britain that offer the 'off road' experience or why not travel a la ewan to mongolia and the steppes

But its really about having a choice, I haven't green laned or trailed in the Uk only recently in Norway on some stunning trails not seeing anyone for an hour or more. We may be more condensed here, but the right should be for everyone, not a select few.

 

[MickDB1]

I'll make a note not to visit the area with my walking boots then

I believe about 97% of unsurfaced trails are not for vehicle anyway so bring yer boots and have a great walk
Nothing better than a quite hike across a national park area and then coming across some numptys on their bike or in their 4x4 because 'they have a right to do so'
They / we /I are breaking no laws by doing so There are some numpties I agree not all are in or on wheeled vehicles - some have walking boots

The parks may be for 'all' but in a small country like Britain it just doesn't make sense for what little poublic access land we have to be used by those who have an engine - isn't that what a road is for
These are classed as roads - They are mainly now unsurfaced, some were once - In fact I also think most "Roads" were untarmaced at some time yonks back

Aren't there enough privately owned areas in Britain that offer the 'off road' experience or why not travel a la ewan to mongolia and the steppes

I choose to ride along these routes as they are a great way of seeing the countryside. I stop and natter to other folk and even stop to picnic sometimes. I choose not to spend my money in Mongolia - Its my choice and as long as it is
Go Boil that cabbage thats on top of yer shoulders

 

[Timpo]

I might take a ride over on Sunday if the sun is out.......

 

[PDiddy]

Not the greatest of weather or turnouts, but it was nice to see some familiar faces in the car park -

 

[SkyGod]

Yep, good to catch up. Breakfast stew was worth turning up alone for!!

 

[Flipfly]

Perhaps if some of the unmade roads were returned to us, then the chances of meeting a trail rider would be reduced. The more you take away the more we will ride what we are legally able to. So many of the roads that have had TROs enforced on them are now so over grown you would struggle to be able to find them let alone walk them. Ramblers have access to 97% of England's right of way yet trail riders only have 3%, and as I pay my taxes just the same as you why shouldn't I be able to enjoy my hobby just as much as you do, but without the dog shit and food wrappers left by fucking day trippers into the peaks -

If only that were true. How many footpaths are there in the Peaks, and how many legal lanes? If you want to walk the peaks in peace and tranquillity it's fairly easy to do, but these people insist on complaining about the traffic on legal routes If you don't want the traffic, choose and alternative path. Unfortunately I do not have that option as I am restricted to where I can go.
If they continue to shut those few lanes which are legal then people will start to ride all over the place illegally, that benefits no one.

After motorcycles and 4x4s have been banned, it'll be cyclists, horse riders and anyone who is breaking in to a sweat.

My friend is a keen mountain biker and has already had an altercation with a warden in Wales when he went to cycle around one of the well known bike spots. Apparently they don't want his kind. When asked what kind that was, the reply came back as "adrenaline junkies" The area has been a mountain bike area for a while now and even has a trail laid out for them

I've never had an issue with any walkers in my time laning, and I do my best to be courteous and friendly. Unfortunately there are those who tear up the terrain as if they are on sports bikes, these are our biggest enemy and some of the reason why the walkers will get their way in the long run. If you see these people you should report them.

 

[stevemersey]

I have just started riding easy trails, partly why I bought the GS - and am a bit shocked at how much the walkers have had the upper hand. Held a gate open on Saturday for two of them - no thanks - just a curt "you know what you are doing is illegal". This on a BOAT well sign posted at both ends. I suppose I will have to get used to it.

 

[Flipfly]

I have just started riding easy trails, partly why I bought the GS - and am a bit shocked at how much the walkers have had the upper hand. Held a gate open on Saturday for two of them - no thanks - just a curt "you know what you are doing is illegal". This on a BOAT well sign posted at both ends. I suppose I will have to get used to it.

And there in lies much of the issue. I'm sure they are unaware of the legality of the lanes and get all fired up that bikers =illegal

 

[Neil W]

Early 90's I did a 'job' off road course, on one day we were up in the hills riding a totally legal trail in part of the national park.
We passed a group of ramblers on the way up giving them all the relevant courtesy , slow speed a wave etc.
Now bear in mind we were on brand new fully legal bikes, best of gear and to top it all I actually know the farmer who owns the land and it would have been fine by him if we had been riding in anyway we fancied. he dislikes ramblers because of their habits of leaving open gates , letting their dogs run loose amongst stock and whinging about cattle in fields that have paths through them.
Anyway we get to the top of the hill and stop .break out the flask and sarnies for lunch, fifteen minutes later the ramblers arrive and one of them goes off on a one , swearing at us and ranting about us being there illegally and he was going to get onto the police and have us locked up. he then starts to write down the registration numbers of the bikes and continues to rant.
We very politely ask him to desist in his language and behaviour which makes him even worse, by this time his fellow ramblers are starting to get distressed by his behaviour (they are all shall we say grey haired )
So we shall say slightly more robustly tell him to behave himself and leave before he gets himself into bother.
Matey by this stage is almost frothing at the mouth and looks like he will become physical.
He gets non plussed when we ask if he can read and he screams that he can, so we point to the three crash helmets on the dry stone wall next to him and ask him to read out aloud what it says on the front.......POLICE....it is then pointed out to him that as he is in a public place (on a B.O.A.T) if he doesn't wind his neck in and leave he will be very quickly be getting picked up in a landrover and going to spend the afternoon in the cells of the local police station.
He then goes very white and slinks off, one of my best motorcycling experiences ever.

 

[Timpo]

Early 90's I did a 'job' off road course, on one day we were up in the hills riding a totally legal trail in part of the national park.
We passed a group of ramblers on the way up giving them all the relevant courtesy , slow speed a wave etc.
Now bear in mind we were on brand new fully legal bikes, best of gear and to top it all I actually know the farmer who owns the land and it would have been fine by him if we had been riding in anyway we fancied. he dislikes ramblers because of their habits of leaving open gates , letting their dogs run loose amongst stock and whinging about cattle in fields that have paths through them.
Anyway we get to the top of the hill and stop .break out the flask and sarnies for lunch, fifteen minutes later the ramblers arrive and one of them goes off on a one , swearing at us and ranting about us being there illegally and he was going to get onto the police and have us locked up. he then starts to write down the registration numbers of the bikes and continues to rant.
We very politely ask him to desist in his language and behaviour which makes him even worse, by this time his fellow ramblers are starting to get distressed by his behaviour (they are all shall we say grey haired )
So we shall say slightly more robustly tell him to behave himself and leave before he gets himself into bother.
Matey by this stage is almost frothing at the mouth and looks like he will become physical.
He gets non plussed when we ask if he can read and he screams that he can, so we point to the three crash helmets on the dry stone wall next to him and ask him to read out aloud what it says on the front.......POLICE....it is then pointed out to him that as he is in a public place (on a B.O.A.T) if he doesn't wind his neck in and leave he will be very quickly be getting picked up in a landrover and going to spend the afternoon in the cells of the local police station.
He then goes very white and slinks off, one of my best motorcycling experiences ever.

Excellent, I would of paid good money to have been there dude......real good money!

PS. I'm pasting this on to facebook, it will amuse some of my friends too.