R1200GS Gearbox Rumble/vibration

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On my recent European trip the Bike picked up a vibration which felt like it was in the final drive somewhere. It's not a harsh vibration, and was only noticeable at particular revs. The gearbox works fine in every gear and has no issues. There was no new noises, or anything untoward i could hear either.
It's been at BMW and had its service and i got them to look into it. The drive shaft and final drive unit is fine and they've narrowed it down to the gearbox - potentially.
I do not know the gearbox issues these may have, common or not. So does anyone have any insight as to what it could be and the (potential) complexity or simplicity of a fix. Whether its better (timewise and financially) to get a 2nd hand refurbed gearbox for a more simple out and in job. Or if its a simple part that does not take long to rectify the issue and then put it back together.
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If it’s a kind of rhythmic thrumming feeling, probably in fourth gear on a light throttle like when pottering through towns, then it’s quite common and doesn’t seem to cause any problems in the long term
 
Maybe change the gearbox oil - see if there is any swarf or other witness on the drain plug or contaminates in the old oil.

In my experience, if there is a bearing deteriorating it will soon become ever more noisy. If it's a slight but stable whine in the intermediate gears, that wouldn't seem abnormal.

IIRC there are vids on YouTube detailing a gearbox removal if/when needed.

I have always been reluctant to buy into used gearboxes/FDs etc from breakers, unless the old one has grenaded itself.
 
If it’s a kind of rhythmic thrumming feeling, probably in fourth gear on a light throttle like when pottering through towns, then it’s quite common and doesn’t seem to cause any problems in the long term

it was in 3rd at 3k / 30mph, and in 6th circa 4-4.5k at 70mph is when i could feel it the most. Everywhere else it seemed ok/nothing out the ordinary of what i was use to.

I have it back now, so will ride it the next few days to work and see how it feels and if it does get worse/no worse.
 
Are you sure they open driveshaft at the dealer. What you describe here looks to me like rust-frozen splines.
If you don't know, go back there and ask. If they didn't open it to check the splines, make them do it, do it yourself or take it to independent mechanic where you can stand besides him while he's doing the job.
My GS is 2021 and I took it to independent mechanic in 2022 to open the driveshaft housing. There was no rust because I live in very dry area and the bike has never been ridden in rain. However, my intention was to lubricate the splines as preventive service. When he opened the driveshaft, the splines were bone dry. The bike had less then year at that point and less then 6000 miles.
 
It’s an LC, gearbox and clutch share the engine oil
My mistake - sorry OP, I was in air-cooled mode.

Seems the opportunity to examine/analyse the oil has been lost, so if the problem persists/worsens I guess it will have to be a call to Sherlocks for a used cassette. Do we know whether the dealer actually examined the drive-shaft, or simply did the BMW stationary test procedure?
 
I had this discussion with my local BMW indy just the other day. There were issues with the gearbox bearings in some of the early bikes.
 
I rebuilt my Hexhead gearbox due to similar noises, all bearings and seals were like new at 50k but I discovered the input shaft torsion damper cage was breaking up (LC is a similar component) so I fitted a new input shaft at £500.

If I were you I would just ride it, mine wasn’t going to get any worse but when I find broken stuff I’m compelled to fix it.
 
My mistake - sorry OP, I was in air-cooled mode.

Seems the opportunity to examine/analyse the oil has been lost, so if the problem persists/worsens I guess it will have to be a call to Sherlocks for a used cassette. Do we know whether the dealer actually examined the drive-shaft, or simply did the BMW stationary test procedure?

The drive shaft was removed to be greased up anyway, and they examined the final drive, drive shaft splines etc at the same time. No damage or issues were to be found in any of the drive train from the gearbox back. I was inclined to think, is it a possibility the driveshaft could be unbalanced. As that could only be checked/detected on a proper test rig.

I had this discussion with my local BMW indy just the other day. There were issues with the gearbox bearings in some of the early bikes.

i'll keep an eye on mine, see how it goes. I do the interim oil changes on the Bike so at the next service i'll send the oil off for a check and see if there's anything untoward in there which would signify a failing component.

I rebuilt my Hexhead gearbox due to similar noises, all bearings and seals were like new at 50k but I discovered the input shaft torsion damper cage was breaking up (LC is a similar component) so I fitted a new input shaft at £500.

If I were you I would just ride it, mine wasn’t going to get any worse but when I find broken stuff I’m compelled to fix it.

When i spoke to a local independent that's what he said - ride it, unless it starts to get worse. He's not heard of any manufacturing failings/common issues on these 'boxes, and it's a high cost (time & labour) to remove it all out, and then £££ to replace things anyway simply because its now apart!
 
The drive shaft was removed to be greased up anyway, and they examined the final drive, drive shaft splines etc at the same time. No damage or issues were to be found in any of the drive train from the gearbox back. I was inclined to think, is it a possibility the driveshaft could be unbalanced. As that could only be checked/detected on a proper test rig.



i'll keep an eye on mine, see how it goes. I do the interim oil changes on the Bike so at the next service i'll send the oil off for a check and see if there's anything untoward in there which would signify a failing component.



When i spoke to a local independent that's what he said - ride it, unless it starts to get worse. He's not heard of any manufacturing failings/common issues on these 'boxes, and it's a high cost (time & labour) to remove it all out, and then £££ to replace things anyway simply because its now apart!
Hi guys. My new GSA has been having nearly identical problem since I bought it new with 6 miles on the odometer. Unfortunately I made a mistake of not test riding this bike because it was raining but I did ride an identical bike earlier and it was butter smooth, no weird vibrations.
Of course I took this bike to the dealer. Their master BMW mechanic rode it but said it was perfectly fine. He said I should try riding with engine RPM above 4000 RPM most of the time ( bull crap, in my opinion). Everything is normal to them unless it doesn't run at all or something falls off the bike.
Another abnormality I noticed was some tapping felt in the foot pegs and the seat when accelerating at lower speed. It kind of feels like a small rock got stuck in the rear tire. I can also feel like there it something slightly loose when going over small bumps while clutch is engaged and accelerating slightly.
Another observation. In the LOW suspension setting, the bike rides smother, with less weird thrumming and tapping felt in the foot pegs. The drive shaft runs at a lower angle in this mode.

So, I believe the problem is in the driveshaft not seating properly on the transmission output shaft splines. It's either caused by a weak or defective C clip that should lock the drive shaft on the splines or a defective drive shaft. I opened the front driveshaft housing rubber boot ( cut the wire tie and slid the hood sideways to see the driveshaft). A quick inspection revealed that the drive shaft has about 1/8" (about 5 mm) forward/aft play. I can easily push it forward and back with my finger. I don't think it should move this much. It should be locked by the lock ring (C clip).
If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself. I don't have a new C clip but I did remove the shaft, pried out the existing C lip and bent it a bit with pliers.
Reinstalled the driveshaft. The free play was reduced by half. I took the bike for a ride. The tapping was barely noticeable. The vibration was basically gone. No more annoying vibration at 75 MPH at 4500 RPM.
Unfortunately the vibration came back after about 50 miles. A quick inspection revealed that the drive shaft play was back to a bit over 1/8".
I ordered a new C clip and have been waiting for it. I'll replace it and hopefully the problem will be fixed. If not, the drive shaft may have to be replaced due to improperly machined groove for the C clip. I'll let you guys know the results but wanted to post my findings to help you remedy your similar problems.

I'd be curious if any of you have checked the fwd/aft free play in the front splines on your drive shaft? I don't think there should be much play at all. It's very easy to check as I described above. Takes maybe 5 min. You'll need. New plastic wire tie, sold everywhere. Just make sure it's long enough. Take the old one with you to measure length.

Hope this helps. My engineering brain just could not believe the vibes and tapping was normal on a $30,000 bike.
 
Mine did exactly the same when bought at 12K miles (1200GSA). 4K revs in top or 3rd/4th gear at around 30mph steady speed. Below or above those revs it was fine. I took it to Motorrad for checking and they said it was fine and that "they all do that sir" but removed the spline to check it and it was all okay. It was a sort of rhythmic thrumming which you could feel through the pegs. Didn't get any worse. I just rode it and paid no attention to it after that.

My newer RS does have a fuelling blip in 2nd/3rd gears from 20 to 30mph in built up areas...it hunts on steady throttle which is annoying and it does sound like it has a noisy cam chain tensioner on the right cylinder (I think these are oil primed tensioners) so taking it in for a check up this week. Very low miles so I'd be disappointed if it were of concern. They're noisy engines when hot. Mine sounds like a blacksmith's forge on overtime at idle, once up to full temperature.
 
Got the problem fixed. I had to reshape the C clip several times until it firmly locked the DS front splines to the transmission output shaft. There is almost no noticeable front/aft play in the driveshaft, compared to over 1/8" before I took it apart.
The bike is much smoother now. The vibes were reduced and I don't feel any tapping in the footpegs. I noticed much less vibes at high speed in 6th gear too.
I used to feel every little small bump and crack in the road when the rear wheel rolled over it. Now it's smooth and solid, just like a bike should be. This is not my first motorcycle, you know.
I doubt any dealer would do what I did. They just lie to you in hopes you'll accept that it's normal. This is why I do all repairs myself, unless it's a major and/or expensive repair.
 
Mine did exactly the same when bought at 12K miles (1200GSA). 4K revs in top or 3rd/4th gear at around 30mph steady speed. Below or above those revs it was fine. I took it to Motorrad for checking and they said it was fine and that "they all do that sir" but removed the spline to check it and it was all okay. It was a sort of rhythmic thrumming which you could feel through the pegs. Didn't get any worse. I just rode it and paid no attention to it after that.

My newer RS does have a fuelling blip in 2nd/3rd gears from 20 to 30mph in built up areas...it hunts on steady throttle which is annoying and it does sound like it has a noisy cam chain tensioner on the right cylinder (I think these are oil primed tensioners) so taking it in for a check up this week. Very low miles so I'd be disappointed if it were of concern. They're noisy engines when hot. Mine sounds like a blacksmith's forge on overtime at idle, once up to full temperature.
I think they are noisy when hot as the oils is very thin....

Re fueling blip, cured mine with a professional re map, no fairy dust or other bull.
checkout Bhpuk in burnley - my bike just purrs like a sweet pussy....
 
Have you checked the wheel balance?
In a car if the rear wheels are out of balance you can feel it in the seat of your pants.
 


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