Recorded Mileage

[Attleborough]

Does anyone know where the mileage is recorded on a R1200GS - I'm assuming theres some sort of EPROM chip in the speedo which ratains the figure.

Why do I want to know. well... I just wondered

 

[R1200GSA]

I might, maybe, probably know, but it would be useless unless you have equipment to read it.

 

[GSmonkey]

Don't know why you need to know, but it would seem to be the type of information that should not be made public on an internet forum.

 

[luckylucian]

Whilst I agree with your coments regarding caution on posting this information, the professional crooks will already know a way to do it, its us as future prchasers who need to know what to look for, in the old days it was mis-aligned digits, scratches on screws etc, what do we look for now?

That would be the answer I'd like to know.

 

[Wapping]

Whilst I agree with your coments regarding caution on posting this information, the professional crooks will already know a way to do it, its us as future prchasers who need to know what to look for, in the old days it was mis-aligned digits, scratches on screws etc, what do we look for now?

That would be the answer I'd like to know.

Forget about complicated things like electronic recorders, which may not be present, but which you do not know where they are or how to read them.

As usual the answer is much easier.

The state of the vehicle. Twist grip rubbers. Foot rest rubbers (if fitted). Bar ends. Mirrors. Scratches on screen. Scratches on bodywork and metal work. The dreaded rust. Worn disks.

In short, does it look like it's done 50k, 30k, 20k or the 9k the vendor claims? Compare it with other bikes you have seen, known or owned. If you doubt it, chances are you are right...walk away.

The service records. OK they can be written in and have fake stamps, or the owner could have done (or not done) their own servicing. But earlier owners (if applicaccable) are possibly reasonably honest. Most BuMW garages hold the service records for several years, they will have recorded the mileage, see if it matches by simply ringing the dealer up. Again, if you have any doubt, walk.

MOT records, if the pass sheets were kept.

IN SHORT: DOES IT ALL SMELL RIGHT?

IF IN DOUBT: DON'T BUY IT OR THEN CLAIM YOU WERE RIPPED OFF. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GOOD BIKES OUT THERE BUT JUST A VERY FEW REAL BARGAINS.

 

[GSmonkey]

... what do we look for now?

As Wapping says, the usual.

There's still a few things that shouldn't get discussed on a forum like this, for our own benefit. One thing is ways to bypass the immobiliser, the other is ways to adjust the Odo.

 

[Attleborough]

IN SHORT: DOES IT ALL SMELL RIGHT?

IF IN DOUBT: DON'T BUY IT OR THEN CLAIM YOU WERE RIPPED OFF. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GOOD BIKES OUT THERE BUT JUST A VERY FEW REAL BARGAINS.

As Wapping says, the usual.

There's still a few things that shouldn't get discussed on a forum like this, for our own benefit. One thing is ways to bypass the immobiliser, the other is ways to adjust the Odo.

Before anyone here starts getting upset, I'm not looking for ideas to commit fraud nor suggest they be posted.

I've found a bike that "appears" to be in good shape for the age but the speedo looks new and hence the question. It's been used off road (or so the owner says), the screen, speedo and hand guards allegedly replaced after a spill. The foot rubbers are worn but I assumed they might get more wear offroading than motorwaying, so I felt looking at all the usual hints might not be so reliable.

The owner has a number of off road bikes and says they do all their own servicing. The owner has under battered engine protection off the bike which ("may" have) came off the bike to indicate the off road useage.

I do not want to suggest the owner might be less than honest but just trying to build a picture..

It might be a rare bargain it might be a ringer....

As you were...

 

[Engineer]

Does anyone know where the mileage is recorded on a R1200GS - I'm assuming theres some sort of EPROM chip in the speedo which ratains the figure.

Why do I want to know. well... I just wondered

Don't know, but could well be an EEPROM accessed by an I2C bus - if it is then not a big deal to alter the contents - however the EEPROM might be embedded inside another chip which could make it more diffcult.

 

[GSmonkey]

I've found a bike that "appears" to be in good shape for the age but the speedo looks new and hence the question. It's been used off road (or so the owner says), the screen, speedo and hand guards allegedly replaced after a spill. The foot rubbers are worn but I assumed they might get more wear offroading than motorwaying, so I felt looking at all the usual hints might not be so reliable..

Given the number of used 1200's I'd be tempted to walk away. However, if its a *real* bargain that you want to pursue, he must have some receipts for the new instrument cluster. My understanding is that he'd have to take the bike to the dealer to have the ECU programmed to accept the new cluster, even if he fitted it himself. You could then quiz the dealer on mileage etc.

I'm not an offroader, but I thought that most offroaders removed the foot rubbers??

I'm sure you know this, but if its too good a deal, it probably is dodgy.

Whats the year / spec / price anyhow??

 

[VAL. H.]

Before anyone here starts getting upset, I'm not looking for ideas to commit fraud nor suggest they be posted.

I've found a bike that "appears" to be in good shape for the age but the speedo looks new and hence the question. It's been used off road (or so the owner says), the screen, speedo and hand guards allegedly replaced after a spill. The foot rubbers are worn but I assumed they might get more wear offroading than motorwaying, so I felt looking at all the usual hints might not be so reliable.

The owner has a number of off road bikes and says they do all their own servicing. The owner has under battered engine protection off the bike which ("may" have) came off the bike to indicate the off road useage.

I do not want to suggest the owner might be less than honest but just trying to build a picture..

It might be a rare bargain it might be a ringer....

As you were...

You seem to have answered your own question here 'The foot rubbers are worn'

Walk away: Who would leave the foot rest rubbers on when off roading? you'd keep slipping off and therefore the bike would be a total wreck

For refference: A 1200gs from the off road school in Wales would cost you about £7600 at 6 months old with 18 months warenty, fully BW serviced and ready to go.

there are bargins and there are bargins.


PS: Have you done a registration check? £30.00 well spent me thinks.

 

[Wapping]

Before anyone here starts getting upset, I'm not looking for ideas to commit fraud nor suggest they be posted.

I've found a bike that "appears" to be in good shape for the age but the speedo looks new and hence the question. It's been used off road (or so the owner says), the screen, speedo and hand guards allegedly replaced after a spill. The foot rubbers are worn but I assumed they might get more wear offroading than motorwaying, so I felt looking at all the usual hints might not be so reliable.

The owner has a number of off road bikes and says they do all their own servicing. The owner has under battered engine protection off the bike which ("may" have) came off the bike to indicate the off road useage.

I do not want to suggest the owner might be less than honest but just trying to build a picture..

It might be a rare bargain it might be a ringer....

As you were...

...and there you have it, in one. If you, who has seen the bike doesn't know, how is anyone here meant to?

I think you already know the answer....walk.

Or are you looking for plenty of people to post up saying, "Buy it"....and then find you have been sold a pup?

Not sure what else you are going to learn from this thread.

 

[Fanum]

Does the GS911 diagnostic thing reveal the mileage??

 

[Magwych]

Does the GS911 diagnostic thing reveal the mileage??

Nope, just the hardware, firmware and software versions and fault codes, both present and historic.

 

[Attleborough]

I know nothing about off road but the suggestion from more than one member here that the foot rubbers would be removed is enough for me (along with some doubt about the mileage) to suggest that the vendor has been less than forthcoming....

Some might think I'm fickle but I had doubts. To avoid swaying the opinion too soon I didn't want to give too detail.

I thank you.

 

[birdseye]

The instruments would display the mileage - I cant imagine an easy way for anyone to fiddle the system so that the chip recorded the true mileage and the instruments showed a lower one. If there is a way of resetting the mileage, my guess is that it would reset the chip and leave no way of finding the correct figure.

 

[ajp]

" I cant imagine an easy way for anyone to fiddle the system so that the chip recorded the true mileage and the instruments showed a lower one."

Replacement instrument cluster?

 

[R1200GSA]

The instruments would display the mileage - I cant imagine an easy way for anyone to fiddle the system so that the chip recorded the true mileage and the instruments showed a lower one. If there is a way of resetting the mileage, my guess is that it would reset the chip and leave no way of finding the correct figure.

Some manufacturers, like BMW, have been trying to make it more "difficult" for people to adjust mileages on vehicles. None have actually made any attempts to make it absolutely "impossible", nor do I think they ever will.

2000 onwards BMW Group/ROVER/RANGE ROVER, saw the mileage being written into the KI (instrument cluster),LKM (light module)and EWS (immob module) as well as the ignition keys. It is perfectly possible to adjust the displayed mileage on the cluster only, and leave the other memories showing the original mileage. The only way to check the other units mileage, is by using specialist diagnostic equipment or GT1.

As with most things, time moves on and todays 1,3,5,6,7 BMWs have just over 160+ mileage encryptions on them. Errrrrrrm, but they can still be adjusted and reset, actually quicker than the older ones.

Evidence "can" be left behind by even the most meticulus dibber.......but you have to know what you are looking for and where to look. Also worthy of note is that you dont even need to touch the cluster to make the reading inaccurate. Diagnostic ports can be very useful things too.

 

[luckylucian]

It is perfectly possible to adjust the displayed mileage on the cluster only, and leave the other memories showing the original mileage. The only way to check the other units mileage, is by using specialist diagnostic equipment.

Evidence "can" be left behind by even the most meticulus dibber.......but you have to know what you are looking for and where to look. Also worthy of note is that you dont even need to touch the cluster to make the reading inaccurate. Diagnostic ports can be very useful things too.

Thanks, this is the bit of info I wanted to be aware of.

 

[Ali-bear]

With apologies to GS Monkey I can reveal that the mileage is recorded in the ZFE module.

If you think this is secret information that will somehow enable men in sheepskin coats to "clock" the beloved GS, you are dreaming. It is as secure as most modern cars and probably more secure than most bikes.

 

[Brian ROSEN]

Easy answer

"...... It might be a rare bargain it might be a ringer...." There are plenty of bikes on the market - if the price seems too high/too low or there is the SLIGHEST doubt about ANYTHING - then don't bother. Try somewhere else!