Riding commentary
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phooey
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Would have been VERY interesting if as he was alongside the horses something had come towards him at 60 mph.
I would not have gone past them until I had a clear view of the road ahead well beyond what he appears to have.
Blind left hand bend and the brow of a hill ?
I would not have gone past them until I had a clear view of the road ahead well beyond what he appears to have.
Blind left hand bend and the brow of a hill ?
The observant amongst you would have noticed that the overtake of the horses involved (amongst other things) a vehicle ahead of the motorbike, filming the bike rider through the overtake manoeuvre. The editing and the foreshortening effect of the camera lens may not give a faithful representation of what it really looked like or what actually occured.
The bike rider maybe 'knew' it was safe to overtake as the lead filming vehicle formed a barrier (of sorts) against oncoming traffic. Whether it was really the best example to have shown in what purports to be an instructional video is another matter entirely. At worst the bike rider followed the lead vehicle through on a (perhaps) dodgy overtake.... the classic... "I can't really see, but I'll let him be my eyes''....... Aieeeeeeeeee...... booger!
166
DO NOT overtake if there is any doubt, or where you cannot see far enough ahead to be sure it is safe. For example, when you are approaching
a corner or bend
a hump bridge
the brow of a hill
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165
You MUST NOT overtake
if you would have to cross or straddle double white lines with a solid line nearest to you (but see Rule 129)
129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26]
The two horses were well under 10 MPH.
Whether or not the road was really clear you can debate at leisure.
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All in all, the two abreast horse riders didn't do themselves (or other road users) too many favours.
The bike rider maybe 'knew' it was safe to overtake as the lead filming vehicle formed a barrier (of sorts) against oncoming traffic. Whether it was really the best example to have shown in what purports to be an instructional video is another matter entirely. At worst the bike rider followed the lead vehicle through on a (perhaps) dodgy overtake.... the classic... "I can't really see, but I'll let him be my eyes''....... Aieeeeeeeeee...... booger!
166
DO NOT overtake if there is any doubt, or where you cannot see far enough ahead to be sure it is safe. For example, when you are approaching
a corner or bend
a hump bridge
the brow of a hill
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AND well over a solid white line
165
You MUST NOT overtake
if you would have to cross or straddle double white lines with a solid line nearest to you (but see Rule 129)
129
Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26]
The two horses were well under 10 MPH.
Whether or not the road was really clear you can debate at leisure.
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All in all, the two abreast horse riders didn't do themselves (or other road users) too many favours.
CuzGS
Registered user
Looked like a reasonable pace and a respectful overtake to me, no dramas at all, if he can make a good assessment of the road then its his call.
st247
Registered user
Filmed in Devon and Cornwall. The Rider is a mate of mine, the other vehicle would have been the police who accompanied him.
Knowing him I doubt very much if there was anything dodgy about the overtake.
A few years ago, well that would have been a different matter
Knowing him I doubt very much if there was anything dodgy about the overtake.
A few years ago, well that would have been a different matter
Tank
Registered user
All of that is is really second nature when riding, perhaps not to some newer riders, but you have to observe all that was mentioned to survive!
It would have been better to have had the commentary from the guy on the other motorcycle that went past him as that move looked fine too as it looked as if you could see well round the bends, difficult to say from the camera angle I suppose but you have to make good progress!
Surely that is one of the main reasons for riding a bike so you are not just in a follow-me-follow-you situation!
It would have been better to have had the commentary from the guy on the other motorcycle that went past him as that move looked fine too as it looked as if you could see well round the bends, difficult to say from the camera angle I suppose but you have to make good progress!
Surely that is one of the main reasons for riding a bike so you are not just in a follow-me-follow-you situation!
phooey
Registered user
The clip is not a good one if it leaves the viewer in any doubt the rider had a clear view far enough ahead to complete the manouever safely. It may well be the camera vehicle had the vision but the point stands. Imho.
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