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[byron]

Here is the details of a mid September Tour of the Pyrenees that I am doing with a couple of other guys from this site. The tour is taken directly from the RIDE magazine GPS files and when I have used them in the past they have been excellent.
However my question is the final day and the trip from Pamplona to Santander as our ferry leaves at 3.30 approx. When I route my own Garmin route which appears to be more direct it is telling me less than 3 hours . Can anyone confirm there is a quick motorway link from Pamplona or should we rethink some of the days
Thanks


Day 1 - Santander to Zarautz 135 miles
Day 2 - Zarautz to Pau 220 miles
Day 3 - Pau to Pas de la Casa 200 miles
Day 4 - Pas de la Casa to Collioure 200 miles

Perhaps a rest day at the French Med - to be finalised

Day 5 - Collioure to La Pobla de Segur -230 miles
Day 6 - Pobla de Segur to Pamplona - 220 miles
Day 7 - Pamplona to Santander - 185miles

 

[leedude03]

google tells me quickest way is 2hrs 37 mins that would be taking motorways where possible.

 

[Corp.Clinger!]

Here is the details of a mid September Tour of the Pyrenees that I am doing with a couple of other guys from this site. The tour is taken directly from the RIDE magazine GPS files and when I have used them in the past they have been excellent.
However my question is the final day and the trip from Pamplona to Santander as our ferry leaves at 3.30 approx. When I route my own Garmin route which appears to be more direct it is telling me less than 3 hours . Can anyone confirm there is a quick motorway link from Pamplona or should we rethink some of the days
Thanks


Day 1 - Santander to Zarautz 135 miles
Day 2 - Zarautz to Pau 220 miles
Day 3 - Pau to Pas de la Casa 200 miles
Day 4 - Pas de la Casa to Collioure 200 miles

Perhaps a rest day at the French Med - to be finalised

Day 5 - Collioure to La Pobla de Segur -230 miles
Day 6 - Pobla de Segur to Pamplona - 220 miles
Day 7 - Pamplona to Santander - 185miles

I use viamichelin and find it very accurate...it gives 252kms and 3:07hrs. All autoroute.


Good food in Pau is Le Berry or Au Bureau in the town centre.

A very scenic route with twisties all over the place is from Cambo Les Bains to St Jean Pied de Port to Col d'Iraty (coffee stop at the peak)on through to Larrau to Pau that way.(Depending on your dates/interests the Rallye des Cimes is on in Sept at the Col).

Ask if you need anything else from my region,i.e. 64 and 65....there's some cracking routes if you've never been before.

 

[Yellow Peril]

We have done Pamplona from Santander and I think you'll have plenty of time.. In regards to the med we stayed in Spain just over the border far cheaper in great little town Llanca hotel grimar cheapish and cheerful.

 

[Simon_100]

Yup, Pamplona-Vittoria.Bilbao-Santander, easy peasy, the autopista runs right through Bilbao, passing people's kitchen windows within a few metres.

I can't imagine anything worse than riding through Andorra, i.e. Pas de la Casa!

Give me a shout when you're in La Pobla de Segur if you like as I'm based here pretty much constantly from Easter to October - or just as for a hotel, restaurant recommendation if you don't like

Regs

Simon

 

[byron]

Thanks for the information greatly appreciated. In the med on hols at the moment so picking up emails infrequently

 

[Simmo24]

Hi there Simon

I'm off to Spain in September heading for the Pyrenees. I have a question regarding Spanish Law. I have an aftermarket exhaust fitted to the bike, it has baffles in , but is a little louder than the stock, are the authorities giving out fines for loud exhausts in Spain as I've read somewhere ? My exhaust is legal in the UK, but not sure about EU.

Thanks

 

[Simon_100]

Hi there Simon

I'm off to Spain in September heading for the Pyrenees. I have a question regarding Spanish Law. I have an aftermarket exhaust fitted to the bike, it has baffles in , but is a little louder than the stock, are the authorities giving out fines for loud exhausts in Spain as I've read somewhere ? My exhaust is legal in the UK, but not sure about EU.

Thanks

Hi there to you too

They do have special campaigns aimed at bikes but I haven't seen one advertised this year. It may be worth keeping an eye on this great blog run by some Guardia Civil nearer the time. As you can see the GC have a 'prevention is better than cure' policy.

Now you are in luck - perhaps!

"En relación a tu consulta, informarte que el actual Real Decreto 1367/2007, de 19 de octubre, por el que se desarrolla la Ley 37/2003, de 17 de noviembre, del Ruido, en lo referente a zonificación acústica, objetivos de calidad y emisiones acústicas, en su artículo artículo 18. Emisión de ruido de los vehículos de motor y ciclomotores, dice:

1. Los vehículos de motor y ciclomotores en circulación deberán corresponder a tipos previamente homologados en lo que se refiere a niveles sonoros de emisión admisibles, de acuerdo con la reglamentación vigente, por aplicación del Real Decreto 2028/1986, de 6 de junio, por el que se dictan normas para la aplicación de determinadas directivas comunitarias, relativas a la homologación de tipos de vehículos automóviles, y del Decreto 1439/1972, de 25 de mayo, de homologación de vehículos automóviles en lo que se refiere al ruido por ellos producido.

2. Sin perjuicio de lo establecido en la disposición adicional primera, el valor límite del nivel de emisión sonora de un vehículo de motor o ciclomotor en circulación se obtiene sumando 4 dB(A) al nivel de emisión sonora que figura en la ficha de homologación del vehículo, correspondiente al ensayo a vehículo parado, evaluado de conformidad con el método de medición establecido en el procedimiento de homologación aplicable al vehículo, de acuerdo con la reglamentación vigente."

To save you a bit of time: bike's sound emissions have to be no more than 4 db(A) more than that specified in the documentation of the bike - called the 'Ficha Technica' in Spanish, i.e. the manufacturers original figures. If you have a UK bike then I figure that you don't carry these details on the V5 so you're OK. But - Ia) haven't lived in the UK since 1997 so I don't know what vehicle documentation is these days and b) I guess that if a trafico* really wanted to bust you s/he's find these details from somewhere and you'd have a pull, as:

"3. Todos los conductores de vehículos de motor y ciclomotores quedan obligados a colaborar en las pruebas de control de emisiones sonoras que sean requeridas por la autoridad competente, para comprobar posibles incumplimientos de los límites de emisión sonora"

Which means you can't refuse to be tested. In practice foreigners are treated pretty leniently - unless they take the piss, in which case all sorts of nasties can happen, like having your priceless vehicle impounded is a very dodgy car pound for three days of fiesta when the magistrate is on holiday and there's no hotel rooms for love nor money. This happened to a shed load of Eurotwerps in super cars a few years ago in Tarragona, where I live, and IMHO it was a 'Yes!' monemt

Regs

Simon
* as opposed to a traficante - which is a smuggler!

 

[Simmo24]

Hi there to you too

They do have special campaigns aimed at bikes but I haven't seen one advertised this year. It may be worth keeping an eye on this great blog run by some Guardia Civil nearer the time. As you can see the GC have a 'prevention is better than cure' policy.

Now you are in luck - perhaps!

"En relación a tu consulta, informarte que el actual Real Decreto 1367/2007, de 19 de octubre, por el que se desarrolla la Ley 37/2003, de 17 de noviembre, del Ruido, en lo referente a zonificación acústica, objetivos de calidad y emisiones acústicas, en su artículo artículo 18. Emisión de ruido de los vehículos de motor y ciclomotores, dice:

1. Los vehículos de motor y ciclomotores en circulación deberán corresponder a tipos previamente homologados en lo que se refiere a niveles sonoros de emisión admisibles, de acuerdo con la reglamentación vigente, por aplicación del Real Decreto 2028/1986, de 6 de junio, por el que se dictan normas para la aplicación de determinadas directivas comunitarias, relativas a la homologación de tipos de vehículos automóviles, y del Decreto 1439/1972, de 25 de mayo, de homologación de vehículos automóviles en lo que se refiere al ruido por ellos producido.

2. Sin perjuicio de lo establecido en la disposición adicional primera, el valor límite del nivel de emisión sonora de un vehículo de motor o ciclomotor en circulación se obtiene sumando 4 dB(A) al nivel de emisión sonora que figura en la ficha de homologación del vehículo, correspondiente al ensayo a vehículo parado, evaluado de conformidad con el método de medición establecido en el procedimiento de homologación aplicable al vehículo, de acuerdo con la reglamentación vigente."

To save you a bit of time: bike's sound emissions have to be no more than 4 db(A) more than that specified in the documentation of the bike - called the 'Ficha Technica' in Spanish, i.e. the manufacturers original figures. If you have a UK bike then I figure that you don't carry these details on the V5 so you're OK. But - Ia) haven't lived in the UK since 1997 so I don't know what vehicle documentation is these days and b) I guess that if a trafico* really wanted to bust you s/he's find these details from somewhere and you'd have a pull, as:

"3. Todos los conductores de vehículos de motor y ciclomotores quedan obligados a colaborar en las pruebas de control de emisiones sonoras que sean requeridas por la autoridad competente, para comprobar posibles incumplimientos de los límites de emisión sonora"

Which means you can't refuse to be tested. In practice foreigners are treated pretty leniently - unless they take the piss, in which case all sorts of nasties can happen, like having your priceless vehicle impounded is a very dodgy car pound for three days of fiesta when the magistrate is on holiday and there's no hotel rooms for love nor money. This happened to a shed load of Eurotwerps in super cars a few years ago in Tarragona, where I live, and IMHO it was a 'Yes!' monemt

Regs

Simon
* as opposed to a traficante - which is a smuggler!

Thats great info, thanks. I'm sure a lot of Spanish bikers have louder aftermarket pipes, but I had read about the checks.
I'll keep an eye on the blog.

Thanks

 

[MarkShelley]

What is the score regarding dark visors in the Pyrennees?

 

[Old Codger]

What is the score regarding dark visors in the Pyrennees?

You cant see the mountains too well in certain light conditions !

 

[Simon_100]

What is the score regarding dark visors in the Pyrennees?

Actually that's a serious question. There are numerous unlit tunnels on the main routes, e.g. the N-260, and some of these are on curves and/or have poor surfaces - there one particularly bad one about 1 km southeast of Pont de Suerte as I know to my cost! So dark visors are preferable to sunglasses.

Regarding a dark visor. These aren't restricted as such, as long as you'r helmet is EU homogenised - or whatever the better English term is, maybe Type Approved? - with an 'E' mark, then you're OK.

There's shedloads on info here if you want to improve your Spanish

But there are general safety laws about adequate visibility - nodding donkey, Elvis fans beware! - so if you have a really daft visor you might get a pull - f you live that long

Personally I use an enduro style helmet with a pilot style tinted inner visor - so sexy except when can't find the knob thing to lift it up!

Regs

Simon