ROSPA Advice

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In the UK, a least, where many examiners are serving police officers, there is no scope for exceeding posted limits except at the ACPO guidelines of "speed +10% + 2mph".

Both the IAM and RoSPA are very clear about speed limits

This is a question I always ask. Last year's re-test produced the following: " I can allow you to go to the maximum of speed limit + 10% + 2mph. However, as I shall be following you, I DON'T want to be left hanging out there!"

"OK," says I. "You mean you want me to get a speedy move-on?"

Statement above was repeated.

As this aspect still confuses me somewhat, it all seems a bit 'free mason' like where a nod and a wink is given to those in 'the know'

What was the outcome ie what speeds did you actually ride at?

I'm assuming you kept to the examiners advice but ensured you rode smoothly and to that limit, where appropriate/safe, in order to achieve 'good progress' :nenau Or did you ride faster wheere appropriate/safe to do so :nenau

Andres
 
Sounds interesting - is anybody on here from Dublin/Ireland involved?

:confused:
nope! not that i know of.
first i'd heard of it.
nobody tells me nuffink!:blast

:D

fwiw though;
quite a few people have actually come over to Irl. / taken training here then gone back home to the U.K. and done the test there.:eek:

why?:nenau

it is thought by many that if you can cope with all the....hazards :augie.. encountered in "Irish conditions" and can do all thats expected by a Trainer here - by the time you get home to U.K. - the test is a doddle!;)
not saying it is or it aint - but when we (MAG) got a highly respected former Police trainer over here to help train up the original first few pioneering Trainers for IRTA, when asked how his trip from the boat to the B+B was
his reply was that Dublin traffic was....."lively".:D.

which is a slight understatement. but you can see what i mean:green gri.

i dont know if theres a higher rate of Golds over here - but wouldn't be suprised.
~~
*Og removes his Training cap and gets back to his normal waffle*:D
 
Took and passed my IAM about 3-4 years ago, and really enjoyed it.

The guy who took me ( who may , or may not have been a serving Bobby ;)) said that i was to not go above 80mph on the M-way as that was where i was most likely to get 'done', however i was to make good progress in the national speed limit areas, 70, 80 and up to 90 if it was "safe to do so". ;)

It was the fastest i had ever ridden, and never have i done so again, so frightened was i....:augie

He gave me 10% in the 30, 40 & 50 zones, which is harder than it sounds.

Overall a cracking ride, he just wants to see control, and a level of 'flair' that can't be accurately described.

HTH:beerjug:
 
From the training page www.adventure.gs

Common ‘faults’ with those taking the IAM test, not necessarily failure points please note. We know what makes a bad rider, we know a ‘fail’ when we see it! But what separates an average rider from the IAM standard, a good rider from a very good one? I note that some of those presenting themselves for test show the traits of having been taught to pass a test, just that, just enough! They do not think for themselves, show any individuality, they don’t make quick, snappy, accurate decisions and then get on with it. Rather they wait until a Fax comes in! For the most they lack flair! Yes, that word again. (Flair...natural ability or talent…. style). They do ‘this’ or ‘that’ because they’ve been told to! Not really knowing why, not knowing there are occasions when it’s not required. They nearly all have one or more of the following ‘faults’ to their riding.

Not in any particular order of importance, just as they’ve entered my head.


1) Heads turning, shoulder checks but seeing nothing. If I’m behind someone who does a shoulder check, and I’m out to that side...I want to see their eyes. But........

2) Too many shoulder checks! The more expert we get, the smoother we get, the less shoulder checks we need! Fact. OK we need a shoulder check when turning left or right...but do we? Moving towards a junction and we’re going to turn right off the main road, we’re positioned close to the white line, bread van coming towards us and we turn right behind it, it comes past us two foot on our right and we turn right behind it, what the hell do we need a shoulder check for! Anything coming past us is on the front of said bread van going t’other way! We want to be looking where we’re going, into the junction.

Leaving built up areas we don’t need left and right shoulder checks. I know the police teach / taught it, but then they used to teach the Hendon Shuffle! We’re leaving a built up area, we can see the National Speed Limit signs well ahead. We’re scanning our mirrors, we know what is happening behind. Where’s that red XR3i gone? He might have turned off, he might be overtaking, then fairysnuff lets shoulder check, and slap ourselves on the wrist for not picking it up. Remember, the better more proficient we get, the smoother we become, then the less shoulder checks are needed!

3) Not looking far enough ahead.... time and time again I see riders, yes on test, move out for a parked bus, lorry, car, hearse, roadwork’s. They ride up to it and have to give a shoulder check (again) to move round it. The obstruction was clearly visible two hundred and fifty yards ahead as we negotiated a gentle bend and the view opens up..... we should flow gently and smoothly into position, as the view opens up, thus negating requirement for said shoulder check. This of course requires good forward observations!

4) Tackle one hazard at a time.... ties in with 3 above. No planning, no thought, no gumption! (shrewd or spirited initiative and resourcefulness! same Oxford dictionary as for flair!) Again ..... not looking far enough ahead!

5) Contrary to the above, it might sound, not enough head movement for cross views. There is a difference between this and the above, and if people can’t spot the need and the difference between the two then we aint gonna do much with them! Time and again you can follow people and their head and neck might just as well be all glued together. On a recent test, approaching a ‘T’ junction with a main road, we’re gonna turn left, the candidate didn’t look to the right until ten feet before the junction “Wow, that’s good isn’t it... a cross view like what we’re taught!” then had to stop because of a van coming along the main road from our right, going the same way as we’re going to go. A cross view early, van seen, speed estimated, our speed adjusted, nothing behind it, we plan, plot and scheme and we get to the junction behind the van and turn left to follow it.... no need to stop! We’ve now actually got more time to check the road surface, personhole covers, gravel etc. It’s hardly rocket science is it!

6) ‘Association of Michael Flatly Wannabe’s’ people still coming for test doing a foot tapping routine. It’s quite simple...... it really is quite simple ........

Roundabout junction A57 over M1, we’re going from Sheffield towards Worksop. Cars stopped at red light over motorway nearside and offside lane, with traffic exiting the south bound slip road, onto the island ‘cos they’ve got a green light. Plenty of room, candidate quite rightly moves up between the cars. Our lights change, candidate snicks into gear, puts left foot down, right foot onto footrest and sets off. Cars either side have already gone, ‘cos we’ve had a green light for a couple of seconds. IF the car(s) on our nearside had gone round the roundabout in front of us, as they could, and IF the cars on our right had gone straight on down the A57, as they could, we’d be in serious trouble. They’d be in trouble .. we’d be in serious trouble! RATHER we should see the slip road light change, go to amber, ‘cos we can see it, get the gear, and making sure traffic on the slip road has stopped, especially the nearside which could be masked, but wasn’t, WOOOOOOSH gone! I’m not saying ‘jump’ the lights, but as soon as we get a hint of a glint of a shade of green we’ve gone! .... history!

If we’re setting off to ‘go go go’ into an open situation with no danger whatsoever, and we don’t have time to swop the feet over, fair enough in my book. Gerronwiit! Just make sure that the right foot is on the peg within six inches of moving off. Most of the time of course, with cross views and a bit of application, we’ve got the time to get the gear (left foot already on the footrest) drop the left foot and put the right foot on the footrest. If we’re setting off in traffic then we want to move off with the foot covering the footbrake to regulate our slow speed. But we’ve got time of course ‘cos we can see traffic ahead setting off..... can’t we? There is no need whatsoever to sit there at traffic lights or whatever with the right foot covering the footbrake! Fact. The police used to teach this many years ago... still being taught! “In case we’re going to get rammed in the rear!” (?) I was told. Well I never held with this theory. Cover the gearlever. If I’m gonna get rammed in the rear I’m gonna get my gear, get my arse out of there, and go go go! Not brace myself for impact! So don’t stop three feet behind the car in front with no-where to go. If he catches fire, stalls wont start, finishes his chips off, or we’re going to get rammed, we can get out of there! (When we’re stationary our biggest potential for harm comes from the rear. (see item 17.)

7) An inability to see through a series of bends, to the bend we can’t see round, and go to the place on the road where we want to be for that bend, by the smooooothest, flowing line. (One hazard at a time again eh!) All candidates know the correct position for the hazard ahead, it’s just unfortunate that for the most they’re late picking up that position and their ride becomes ‘sweepy swoopy’ wastes time, loses speed, looks crap and is crap.

8) And in the same breath, there are those candidates who are on the perfect line for the left hander coming up, just inside the white line, who suddenly and abruptly sweep across to t’other side of the road for the ‘maximum view’ (On a couple of occasions had to dive back again because of something coming into view!) We should ask ourselves, “Is it safe?” “Is it to advantage?” If the answer is yes to these questions then OK. Most of the time it’s not to advantage ‘cos we had a good enough view anyway! Certainly for the speed they were doing! By all means use the other side of the road, but let’s get there in smooth flowing lines. If ‘The Line’ doesn’t take us there then let’s not bother. As one guy said to me, 65 years old and only just back into ‘biking’ “I get it Mick, you want me to gel the corners together!” (Oxford talks about pufty hair cream, but ‘gel’ will do nicely..... we want to gel the corners together!)

9) ‘The Line’ eh! what’s that?

10) Exaggerating ‘the position’ in built up areas where there’s no real need. Because they’ve been taught nearside for right-handers, up to white line for lefthanders, they do it at 30 or 40 mph when we have a sight line of two hundred yards and can stop in a fraction of the distance we see to be clear. The car behind of course is asking, “What’s this twerp in front doing, turning left, no right, no left...!”

11) Speed in built up areas sometimes creeps up when being sucked along by the car in front. I’m not talking about when there’s a long line of traffic. Many’s the time the rider in front is doing 30 to 32 mph (where it’s safe of course) a car joins from our left or right ahead of us and is now going our way. The car builds it’s speed up to 40 and the rider in front gets ‘sucked along’ and is soon keeping a nice distance behind said car...at the same speed!

12) Often a lack of ability to ‘suss out’ the traffic ahead, and pick a smooth, safe, uninterrupted passage through. Again... not rocket science. Fail to use the advantage the motorcycle has given them.... thinking car! Needs planning coupled with good forward observations, anticipation, and an accurate assessment of speed and distance!

13) All tied in with not looking far enough ahead. (again!) We often have the scenario whereby the candidate waits for an overtaking opportunity, and I can literally read their thoughts by body language / movement. “Oh, I can overtakes now, I’ve an overtake on. Let’s see, err, gear, oh, right, I’ll come down to thirds, err, now that’s OK. mmm Mirror, oh yes the mirror mmm seems ok, oh hell, a shoulder check, right done that, now we go, we’ll show him what these Ninjas will do!” Then they ride ROUND the car they’re overtaking. That’s of course if they haven’t now missed the opportunity.

RATHER look beyond the vehicle in front, read the road, anticipate, plan plot and scheme, as I like say, We’ve caught the vehicle up, we’re travelling faster than it, so we’re already planning to overtake long before the opportunity is there. Do the homework, scan the mirrors, position out, cross views, and you’ll see the bit of road that’s just round this corner that’s straight enough. Gear already, mirrors scanned, all homework done, and as the bend opens up WOOOOOOOSH! gone. Without exception I can ask a candidate “And where was I when you looked in your mirror prior to that overtake?” the answer nearly always is “Already out there!” Time and time again I see people ‘riding round’ the hazard, or the vehicle being overtaken.

14) A rigid insistence not to overtake at or near a junction. OK we know what the book says, and any doubt whatsoever..... BUT junction ahead totally clear, NOTHING can emerge, and many is the time we can be past the car ahead before the junction. So why not? OK sorry, I know what the book says! But what speed is the car doing, could he possibly turn into that junction? If he’s doing fifty mph five yards before that narrow drive we can see into, he couldn’t possibly turn into it...now could he!

15) An important one this one - Do not analyse (Oxford again...examine methodically and in detail!) their own riding, the riding of others, the last series of bends, the entry, negotiation and exit of that last roundabout, the last overtake! It’s only by analysing ones riding, oneself, that we can improve. It matters not a jot that someone is teaching us if we don’t analyse for ourselves. No-one can kneel and be touched on the shoulder by the magic sword and be pronounced ‘an advanced rider’ “Arise Sir BOF, you can now wear The Badge!”

16) I often see riders negotiating a bend on the ‘correct line’ in the wet..... but there’s a dry line a foot or a couple of feet off the ‘ideal’ line. let’s be in the dry On the straight they move abruptly to miss a personhole cover! If you don’t want to ride over the damn thing see it when it’s in the far distance and get the correct line early.... otherwise let the suspension do its job! Never sacrifice safety for position!

17) Don’t suffer the duffer, create a buffer! Having settled down to a nice speed in a built up area, following other vehicles, and not looking to glide past because our speed is OK, then let’s back off the vehicle in front and allow a much larger gap, I call it a ‘buffer zone!’ Think ‘Two second rule’ then think ‘even more’! We can move into it when traffic ahead is slowing and the prat behind is on the mobile, or eating his chips...or both. (6% of serious motorcycle injury accidents are rear end shunts!) We can see what’s happening ahead much better, we don’t have to brake half as much, ‘cos we’re in that lower gear... aren’t we! If anything happens in front of us we’re gonna be a witness.... not involved… right!

18) Coming too soon! errr mmm sorry, that should read ‘coming in too soon’ Yeah another common fault, coming in too soon! We position for view, we position for safety, right! View is safety, right! We can work better with what we can see than what we can’t see, right! Well why then do people come in too soon on entering a bend. Right hand bend, we’re positioned to the nearside, we can see further than if we are up near the white line, and before the view opens up, before we can see where the road is going, they leave the nearside, losing their view, and are up to the white line before the corner opens up! If anything comes into view towards them, or the bend tightens up, they aint gonna be at home for supper that evening! There are no ‘apexes’ on corners, on the road, that we can’t see round! A left hand bend, we’re up near the white line looking round it. Come in too soon and now we’re in against the hedge, still going round a lefthander, no view, lost it. Anything parked, pedestrians, we’re gonna hit them. AND we’ll run wide on the exit... back towards any oncoming vehicles AND if the corner tightens up we’ll just quite simply not make it.

19) No mention of speed yet eh! It's not about speed, it's about smoothness. But often corner speed is not maintained, negotiating corners on a closed or trailing throttle, when we could in fact be on gentle acceleration, chasing the arrow head, limit point, vanishing point, whatever they'll call it next month! A person who is smooth, who reads the road, has forward observations, has anticipation, and plans, will get there quicker than the point and squirt merchant, and with far less wear and tear to the tyres, suspension, brakes, and central nervous system! Deep joy too to the pillion!


Advanced riding isn’t about having green stickers all over your ‘bike, helmet, and pyjamas, it’s about common sense, observations, planning, assessment, positioning and getting on with some decisive riding. Why negotiate three hazards when you can turn them into one! Why negotiate that right hander and THEN overtake Doris and Albert in their Morris Minor 1000 when with planning, cross views, accurate assessment, you can drop into the right hander and past them all in one manoeuvre, maybe stop there for the next left hander. NO sweeping and swooping about! It’s not magic, it’s not rocket science! It’s common sense......err .... gumption! We’ll show other road users that we’re ‘Advanced Riders’ not by the badge, but by our smooth uninterrupted progress that doesn’t interfere with them. Those that ‘know’ will comment “Now there goes a good rider!” Those road users that have no idea whatsoever will have no idea of our passing!

Some of these views might not be those of the IAM, or indeed other IAM Examiners. Please feel free to question them. For those who don’t know me, I started riding police motorcycles in 1966. (LE Velocette ‘Noddy’ bike, Heartbeat style, round Barnsley!) When it broke down (frequent) I used my own BSA 650 Lightning! Seventeen years Road Traffic motorcycle patrol, police instructor, examiner, royal escort / VIP and the training of police motorcyclists for these roles. Three years undercover as surveillance motorcyclist with the Regional Crime Squad. Last working day spent on motorcycle patrol, retired in 1995. IAM Examiner for sixteen years. Now having my own company ‘Advanced Riding Techniques’ of which RiDE magazine said in the July ‘97 issue, “Highly recommended.” The only one of eight training schools / courses tested that was! Numerous track days each year, and a Diploma and three awards from the Nürburgring High Performance Courses!

I did 82,000 miles on the BMW 1150 GS in two and a half years! Then 60,000 miles on my 1150GS ‘Adventure’ in two and a half years. 14,000 miles on the 1200GS Adventure and 50,000 miles on the F650GS Dakar in just three and a half years, but this did include a five and a half month double unsupported crossing of Asia. A 19,300 miles journey through Russia, Siberia and Mongolia, through the Gobi Desert to China, and returning through all the ‘Stans’ … twenty three countries in all. The full story can be found at www.adventure.gs

Ride with pride, rubber side down and between the hedges.

Mick Wheeler.

www.adventure.gs
www.AdvancedRidingTechniques.info
[email protected]

September 2007

Hope it helps....

:beerjug:

Micky
 
That is a top post Mick.:thumb2
I have just applied for my IAM test and that post has given me quite a lot of food for thought. Hopefully got 3 weeks to polish my skills. I am out on an observed ride tomorrow, so I will read through it again and put it into practice.
Cheers
Steve
 
That is a top post Mick.:thumb2
I have just applied for my IAM test and that post has given me quite a lot of food for thought. Hopefully got 3 weeks to polish my skills. I am out on an observed ride tomorrow, so I will read through it again and put it into practice.
Cheers
Steve
Good luck, mate. That's a lifetime's experience distilled into a few hundred words. Might take you more than 3 weeks to get down pat...
 
As this aspect still confuses me somewhat, it all seems a bit 'free mason' like where a nod and a wink is given to those in 'the know'

What was the outcome ie what speeds did you actually ride at?

I'm assuming you kept to the examiners advice but ensured you rode smoothly and to that limit, where appropriate/safe, in order to achieve 'good progress' :nenau Or did you ride faster wheere appropriate/safe to do so :nenau

Andres

You cannot expect an examiner to state that you CAN break any speed limit, it could be taken out of context. To ask him the direct question is a sign if naivety, putting him in a difficult position - he must either give a cryptic response, or say don't speed. That the former is often given is a clear indication of how the land lies. WhenI did my IAM the advice was consistant.
Posted speed limits are to be obeyed.
National speed limits may be exceeded when safe to do so.

In the test I decided I had nothing to gain by breaking any speed limit although I had ridden with the examiner before at considerably over 60, including following him.
Regardless what you do - be consistent.

The whole thing demonstrates that the speed limits are really all to pot.
 
Started with my local IAM group (TVAM) a couple of years ago after wanting a 'riding checkup' prior to taking SWMBO to Europe on the bike.

Enjoyed it so much that I took the observed rides to their ultimate aim, took the test and passed.

On the test the examiner who was on his way to work (nuff said) indicated the rules for speed, and making progress. 3"0/40/50 are limits, but I expect to see you making progress. National Speed limit - it's your license, your life, but I don't want to be held up and late for work " (LOL).

I hadn't asked for this advice, it was his standard 'here's the rules' speech. Leaving things to your discretion as a Thinking Rider.

However the opportunity for Motorway speed was very limited, and the national speed limit roads he took me down were very narrow and twisty. I would hesitate to say that you could approach the national speed limit safely on those roads.

However at the end of the ride, he congratulated me, and told me that it was one of the best thought out rides he'd seen, and that I had the right balance between making progress and being uber safe.

I personally think that this is what they are looking for, nothing like rocket science, nothing academic. Just good old fashioned practical skills, in fact simply applying the skills that your observer will have pointed out to you. Not applying them as hard and fast rules, but taking each situation as it is approaching and planning / thinking through it.

I guess a procative rather than a reactive rider.

Having been a sports bike rider (power ranger.....) for years, it was quite liberating to see this guy on a Pan, handle it better (faster, smoother with less drama)than I could handle the GS. I learned a lot, enjoyed myself far more than I thought possible, and managed to get a test pass.

If I had 3 words to sum it up to anyone thinking about IAM, ROSPA etc -"Just Do It"

Cheers

Dave#...
 
I have a question for all you advanced riders:

Filtering past moving cars - Yes or no?

I have just started my IAM training and have been told that I must not filter past moving cars, only stationary ones. This defeats the object surely?
 
I have a question for all you advanced riders:

Filtering past moving cars - Yes or no?

I have just started my IAM training and have been told that I must not filter past moving cars, only stationary ones. This defeats the object surely?

Yes you can, but it always come down to the conditions at the time. The situation on one stretch of road one minute, might be completely different half a mile down the road and 5 mins later. So I guess its all down to speed over safety - how much progress will you make for how much risk?

There is a rule about not crossing either a double solid white line, or when the solid line is on your side. If you check your highway code, I think it says something like only when the traffic is stationary, or slow moving ie its a road sweeper - not just slow moving cars.

Might be worth a new thread as filtering has enough connotations and opinions to run forever...

Good luck with your test.

Mike
 
As this aspect still confuses me somewhat, it all seems a bit 'free mason' like where a nod and a wink is given to those in 'the know'

What was the outcome ie what speeds did you actually ride at?

I'm assuming you kept to the examiners advice but ensured you rode smoothly and to that limit, where appropriate/safe, in order to achieve 'good progress' :nenau Or did you ride faster wheere appropriate/safe to do so :nenau

Andres

Missed this.

I kept to speed limits at all times except on two occasions on overtakes on rural A-roads, when the fastest I got to was 80-85mph, rolling off the throttle and dropping to national speed limit once the overtake was complete and the examiner was clear of the other vehicles.

RoSPA examiners' guidelines specifically require them to fail a candidate who exceeds the speed limits.

But we have one local examiner, who also trains via Rapid Training who suggests routinely training at higher speeds on open roads, as this will reflect the reality of most riding.
 
Filtering

Just a quick note on filtering. When I did my Advanced Test approx 2 years ago.In the breifing before the test examiner asked me not to filter unless I instruct you ??:confused:
 
I have a question for all you advanced riders:

Filtering past moving cars - Yes or no?

I have just started my IAM training and have been told that I must not filter past moving cars, only stationary ones. This defeats the object surely?


How long is a piece of string?

There can be no hard and fast rules... it's down to speed of vehicles, space between that's available. Absolute care needed where there is some distance between one car and the car in front of it, when there is a gap alongside he could move in to!

Nothing guaranteed to get me going when at an IAM meet someone asks "At what speed is it safe to filter Micky?"

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! :bash

If you're filtering at a speed where you can't clock the individual drivers face in mirror, hands on wheel, body language, front wheel, then you're going too fast. It's not rocket science to predict where a car is going to go even before he actually starts the manoeuvre :eek:

Once I make my mind up that a particular car could move in to an adjacent gap he gets the undevided attention of one eye. I watch his head movement, his hands on the wheel... the front wheel. There was a link on here some time ago, lady rider, on board camera, and a car on the nearside and slightly in front, moved across into the side of her and knocked her off. The road ahead of the 'bike was clear. Watching the video you could clearly see the front offside wheel of the car turn and start to move across, yet the lassy was still on the throttle maintaining the same speed. She could have braked and avoided that collision to be sure.

Never have an accident and be in a position afterwards to say that you failed to spot a prat.... the prat we failed to see could sometime be us of course :eek:

Pal .... As an IAM examiner I would never tell the associate to do or not do anything... the test is theirs to pass or fail of their own accord. If they are leaving me behind while filtering the message should be loud and clear to them :eek:

:beerjug:

Micky

www.adventure.gs
 
Just a quick note on filtering. When I did my Advanced Test approx 2 years ago.In the breifing before the test examiner asked me not to filter unless I instruct you ??:confused:
I think most/many/all examiners have preferences and foibles. OK, filtering is a controversial topic and, while I do practise it, I would probably not while on test unless I had to. No examiner should fail you for not doing it but the scope to be failed is very high if you do.

I can independently recommend a good book on advanced riding: Not The Blue Book by Dave Jones (www.notthebluebook.co.uk). The advice on filtering is good.
 
Hi all,

I'm doing my ROSPA test in a few weeks. Of those that have done it already - any tips or pointers? I've done ( and more to come) assessed rides with a registered instructor here in Ireland and have studied up on Roadcraft but am looking for any little bits of advice or training tips that have worked for others.

Or any examiners that frequent this site....what (apart from the obvious) are you looking for?

By the way - thanks Mod for adding this forum!

thanks for reading, Finn

:thumb2

Be smooth and consistant, make sure you're comfortable with slow bike manoeuvres.

Dont worry if you make a wrong turn,:blast as long as you go where you intended to go. Its not a navigation exercise.

Relax and enjoy it.

Lynchy :D
 
So, finally did my test, there's been a change of hands ROSPA wise here in Dublin, hence the wait. Got a 'very, very high' silver!
The test started on a very casual note. The guy asked me how I liked my bike (650gs), had I had any problems with it and had I done any trips away. We then spoke at length about his new bike - a Ducati sports bike something or other in red naturally. Now to business. I asked if he'd like me to demonstrate my POWDER check. "I'll take your word that you've done it already" says he. I asked if he'd like to see my documents. "I'll take your word they're in order" says he. On we went. Up the N81 (for those that know Dublin) and right towards city west. Forgot to mention, no radios so I'm relying on his signals. Pretty uneventful down the Naas Rd until we hit the M50 going south - its being upgraded at the moment and so the speed limit has been dropped to 60km. Of course nobody pays much attention to this new speed limit! So I had a dilemma of sorts. I could either go with the flow of traffic (all doing in excess of 80km), or I could obey the limit, possibly becoming a hazard myself. I decided on the latter. We then came off the motorway at the second exit for Sandyford and headed up towards Enniskerry on twisty roads that normally would be 80km but due to resurfacing were down to 60km, same dilemma as the traffic didn't seem too concerned with the new limit and the same tactics. Eventually the speed dropped to 30km on a road that is normally 80km, probably fit for more, same tactics, this time with a tailback! Finally we get to a 80km stretch and we make brisk time onto the N11 and into Bray where we finish. About 30 miles in total. He was very complimentary and apologised for all the roadworks. I asked if I was right to obey the speed limits considering cars were doing silly things to get past us. He said that its a test so yes however he did say that he expects that day to day he might speed it up a little to avoid becoming a hazard. He suggested that in such situations one should use their common sense to weigh up the options regarding law and safety. He said my positioning, mirrors, lifesavers, slow control, gears, braking were all of gold standard. He criticised my progress on a few occasions when entering roundabouts, pulling out and overtaking saying that I could have been brisker given the circumstances. "there's a gold in you, but its not quite there yet. A little more polish and you'll be there" says he.
All in all I'm very happy and maybe even enjoyed it a bit!

A big thanks to all who gave me advice and especially Joe (the celt) who took me from beginner to where I am now - thanks for the patience! Also to marc (Ogmios) who took me out on a pre-test and gave me last minute help, thanks a bunch. Cheers!
 


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