Service Schedules!!!

[Alan R]

All it needs is for someone with a 2012 bike to look at the front brake calipers and determine if there is a sensor there or not that can measure pad thickness. No sensor = no CBS = BS by BMW. Or a mis-communication of course.....

There are no sensors on the pads/calipers; therefore no car style CBS. Never thought that here would be. The OP is beginning to obsess about this - Rasher style.
Alan R

 

[Deleted account 210516001]

CBS is a all encompassing term brought over from the car side. Why people are so mystified by the service schedules is quite baffling.
To try and simply things here goes.

1st service is 600mls
Next service is 6000mls then at 12k ,then 18k and so on
The annual part is where people get confused. The annual side is 1 year from the date the bike was PDI'd an can encompass a brake fluid change and some oil changes depending on the schedule, and then every year and so on depending on time related items.

For example Mr X picks up his brand new bike on Jan 1st 2012 -silly sod I know cos its probably snowing. His bike was PDI'd that day so his mileage service clock is set to come on at 600mls. His date service date service clock is set to come on at Jan 1st 2013. Remember there are 2 service clocks.
He does his 600ml within the week and has the 1st service (running in service). The MILEAGE service clock is set to come on at 6K but the DATE clock is left alone.
He does 6k before August and has his 6k service Again the MILEAGE clock is set to come on at 12k. By December the mileage is 12k so he has his 12service done and because we're 12 months down the line he has some time related items done. In the 1st year this is a brake fluid change and a gearbox oil change.
The MILEAGE clock is set to come on at 18 k AND THE DATE clock to come on 1year from the date of the 12k service.
Next year he does only 1k the whole year and so the DATE clock will appear. So he has items done that are time related. In this case it would be an oil and filter change.
If he did 1k again the following year he would have exactly the same again but also a brake fluid and gearbox oil change because 2 years have elapsed since they were last done.

Its simple

I hit 12k service about 2 months before the time based service was due. It seemed crazy to have to take it back so soon after a main service. I asked them to do the 12K and the annual and they must have reset the time based warning because nothing came on 2 months later. Now I am heading for having an annual about 1500 miles before the 24K service is due. The whole system is a bit of a pain when your dealer is 50 miles away. It would be much easier if they insisted on a 6K service interval or 1 year, whichever comes first.

 

[Sgt Bilco]

The old annual service can just say that anyone having an annual just before you have a main service needs their feckin head examined. I mean, why would you throw a couple of hundred quid down the drain when you will do exactly the same in a few miles?

Thankfully, dealer servicing schedules are way behind me and I'd be asking my dealer to alter my TC to only show 6000 mile intervals. I think these service lights are a pure ruse to get you into the dealer for the whole life of the bike which doesn't give you many choices.

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Just got this from the Twin cam workshop CD

(+) Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system
(-) Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system

=> Oil change, engine, with filter (Description in item: 11 00 611, Billed as a separate item) Annually or every 10,000 km
=> Oil change, rear wheel drive (Description in item: 33 00 501, Billed as a separate item) every two years or every 20,000 km
=> Checking valve clearance (for maintenance) (Description in item: 11 34 502, Billed as a separate item) every 10,000 km
=> Gearbox-oil change (maintenance) (Description in item: 23 00 510, Billed as a separate item) initially after one year, then every two years or every 40,000 km
=> Replace all spark plugs (as part of maintenance) (Description in item: 12 12 509, Billed as a separate item) every 20,000 km
=> Replace air filter cartridge (for maintenance) (Description in item: 13 72 505, Billed as a separate item) For off-roading or every 20,000 km
=> Checking or replacing air filter element (for maintenance) (Description in item: 13 72 508, Billed as a separate item) For off-roading
=> Repleace belt for generator (as part of maintenance) (Description in item: 12 31 657, Billed as a separate item) every six years or every 40,000 km
(+) Visual inspection of hydraulic clutch system
(-) Visual inspection of hydraulic clutch system

Load more how to do stuff on it hope its of some use to someone on here

 

[IanC]

There are no sensors on the pads/calipers; therefore no car style CBS. Never thought that here would be. The OP is beginning to obsess about this - Rasher style.
Alan R

I'm not obsessing!

I don't think there are any sensors either. But BMW told me categorically that there are (see their email in my OP), which was why they were unwilling to provide schedules any more. It would be nice to find out the truth categorically! I'm not worried about my bike being maintained, I know basically what needs to be done, but I don't like being told a load of bull! It's one thing to be told "you really should use genuine parts fitted by an approved dealer", but it's another to be told blatant untruth.

OK, I am obsessing

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Here is the front brake pad replacement instructions from the BMW dealer instruction manual

Core activity
(+) Replacing front brake pads
(-) Replacing front brake pads

Replace the brake pads on one side first, then the other side.
Removing front brake pads
Remove retainer (2).
Remove pin (3).
Remove spring (1).
Remove the brake pads.

No mention of cables wires or sensors just standard pad replacement

 

[Beemerman59]

Heather Bamforth has some explaining to do.......maybe she's a temp

 

[Deleted account 181015003]

Just found this in the service instructions

Perform all requisite repair work.

(+) Setting service-due date
(-) Setting service-due date

In the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system, select 'Toolbox Maintenance'.
Set the service-due date.

(+) Setting service countdown distance
(-) Setting service countdown distance

In the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system, select 'Toolbox Maintenance'.

Set the service countdown distance.

(+) Setting service-due date and service countdown distance
(-) Setting service-due date and service countdown distance

In the BMW Motorrad diagnostic system, select 'Toolbox Maintenance'.

Set the service-due date and service countdown distance.





Time distance calculation only?

 

[tanneman]

You would have been better off to have called your local. Reading the e-mails again it sounds like they are quoting from a car brochure. What is said comes down to basically the same that is written in the owners manual of my Audi. By the way BMW recommend Castrol oils. I'll get my coat.

 

[skywalker]

The schedule described by Skywalker is not CBS, but it is the schedule BMW Motorrad have used for quite some time.
CBS is based upon Skywalker's described "date" schedule for some aspects but then "condition" not "mileage" for others, eg. oil and brake pads. CBS certainly exists for BMW cars but unless there's an array of sensors monitoring the service items it's not possible that it exists on a BMW bike, therefore yes BMW would be bullshitting to suggest so.
My experience with BMW cars over the last decade is that CBS does actually save money, it's not just marketing cr4p.

Bang on - as you say there aren't the kind of sensors like the cars have so you've go to have some sort of schedule that cover's everything.
There are times when the two services will coincide - that's just the nature of the beast.
Most folk on here have their bikes as a hobby and not for their primary mode of transport as the average mileage is usually less than 5 k a year.
Heck some folk struggle to know what oil to put in their bikes on here so it makes sense to run a mileage service light as well as a time dependant service light

 

[Bobbin-Man]

What, they need oil?

 

[Freddie]

What, they need oil?

Oh no, now you've done it......

obsessives, please form an angst-ridden, but curiously orderly, queue

 

[trainman]

if its like the system on their cars it uses the on board computers to monitor the wear and tear using data on engine temp, mileages and speeds (ie duty cycle), what they call 'virtual sensors', they also have some hard sensors like the brakes (i guess no need on a bike as its a 10 sec job to check)

in essence a good idea as it should only call for parts and maint when its needed, however

1 - it allows companies to make money by hiding the reasoning behind the service light coming on (cynical view)
2 - a lot of us like the predictability of a service once a year etc
3 - for a lot of us we already have in built CBS, ie some on here comment that they change air filters more or less often depending on condition, also we might take a view on how low we let our brake pads go

i would be interested to hear if BMW force independants to access this data to ensure warranty is kept, if they did I am guessing the gear to do it costs a bomb (a tactic to force more to stay with OEM servicing?)